TrumPutinGate

[FLVOL69]

I love how conservatives are always trotting out this stupid false equivalency between Obama or Clinton and Trump--as if there is any comparison. It is evidence of a weak, biased mind. The list of Trump's unethical behavior is a mile long. Obama had more integrity in his pinkie than Trump--and yet goofs try to pretend otherwise.

¥

 

[Grand Vol]

Trump was close pals with Roy Cohn--who was a notorious mob lawyer. Trump also associated with mobsters in Atlantic City, a hotbed of corrupt politicians and businessmen for a long time.

http://www.news.com.au/world/north-...p/news-story/9b4d2da89280bf4f37c627e97f8d09e6

I have nothing except lulz at the left over Trump.

"Trump is a racist!"

Yeah, that didn't work.

"Trump is a misogynist!"

Well, that didn't work either.

"Trump doesn't pay taxes!"

Yeah, we blew that one.

"Trump obstructed justice!"

Didn't really work out in our favor after Comey's testimony.

"Trump is directly involved in shady business with Russia and hacking our election!"

This isn't working out as planned...

"Trump is involved with mobsters!"

It's a bold strategy, Cotton. Let's see if it pays off for us...

 

[PeterNincompoop]

I'd like to track those numbers on a graph with the increases in taxes, regulations, and social safety net spending.

My first thought on the numbers presented was that it's a pretty big indictment on trickle down economics. '81-'91 would be an era that I think most folks would correlate to the MAGA conversation, yet the middle class shrunk 3%. The other era of a 3% drop, '01-'11, included the restarting of a prolonged war in the ME that we're still fighting, along with the biggest recession in most of our lifetimes.

 

[Orange_Crush]

I have nothing except lulz at the left over Trump.

"Trump is a racist!"

Yeah, that didn't work.

"Trump is a misogynist!"

Well, that didn't work either.

"Trump doesn't pay taxes!"

Yeah, we blew that one.

"Trump obstructed justice!"

Didn't really work out in our favor after Comey's testimony.

"Trump is directly involved in shady business with Russia and hacking our election!"

This isn't working out as planned...

"Trump is involved with mobsters!"

It's a bold strategy, Cotton. Let's see if it pays off for us...

I just wonder how Trump will commit suicide. Double tap to back of the head? Chain himself to a cinder block, knock himself out, drive himself to an overpass, and then fall off? Accidentally swallow a radiation pill?

 

[Grand Vol]

I just wonder how Trump will commit suicide. Double tap to back of the head? Chain himself to a cinder block, knock himself out, drive himself to an overpass, and then fall off? Accidentally swallow a radiation pill?

I didn't think he was investigating the Clintons yet...

 

[Obsessed]

Mini Survey

Do you care if the President of the United States has ties to organized crime?

(1) Yes
(2) No

You talking about bill?

 

[hog88]

I've not been able to find specific numbers relating to the party in office but attached is an article on the shrinking middle class by decades...

http://www.npr.org/2016/07/07/484941939/a-portrait-of-americas-middle-class-by-the-numbers

It breaks down the numbers from 1971-2015 as a percentage of the population.

'71-'81: Down 2% from 61% to 59%. '71-'74 Nixon (R), '74-'77 Ford (R), '77-'81 Carter (D).

'81-'91: Down 3% from 59% to 56%. '81-'89 Reagan (R), '89-'91 HW Bush (R).

'91-'01: Down 2% from 56% to 54%. '91-'93 HW Bush (R), '93-'01 Clinton (D).

'01-'11: Down 3% from 54% to 51%. '01-'09 W Bush (R), '09-'11 Obama (D).

'11-'15: Down 1% from 51% to 50%. '11-'15 Obama (D).

As I mentioned above, this does not break it down into specifics as to when it happened within the decade and who was in office at the time, but the in two decades with 3% drops in the middle class, 17 of the 20 years had a Republican in office, or 85% of the time America saw the sharpest declines in the middle class.

I'm not saying you're wrong, as I don't have stats to back up the decline based on who was President, and honestly I don't know that it matters. Based on these numbers it's a continuous decline regardless of which party is in office.

So, what's the real fix?

Thanks, for the link. Haven't dug deep into it yet but the one thing that did catch my eye is the ridiculously low numbers for a family of 3 to be considered middle class.

 

[hog88]

Trump had Russian mobsters living and conducting business out of Trump Tower. Again Mueller wouldn't have hired investigators specialize in Eastern Europe organizaed crime and financial crimes. Every rock will be turn and every skeleton that Trump has in his closet will looked at.

Question. Does Muller have to ask the Dep AG for permission to deviate from the original scope of his investigation or can he freely roam as he pleases?

 

[Grand Vol]

You know, I do ask the obvious question...

What were they hiding?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ck-russia-meddling-did-not-alter-ballots.html

Former Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson testified Wednesday that the Democratic National Committee last year turned down his agency's offer to help protect its network despite being warned about a hack.

He also confirmed that while Russia, at the direction of President Vladimir Putin, orchestrated cyberattacks on the United States to influence the 2016 presidential election, Moscow was unable to actually alter ballots.

“To my current knowledge, the Russian government did not through any cyber intrusion alter ballots, ballot counts or reporting of election results,” Johnson said during his opening statement before the House Intelligence Committee.

“Sometime in 2016, I became aware of a hack into systems of the Democratic National Committee,” Johnson said. “… I pressed my staff to know whether DHS was sufficiently proactive, and on the scene helping the DNC identify the intruders and patch vulnerabilities. The answer, to the best of my recollection, was not reassuring: the FBI and the DNC had been in contact with each other months before about the intrusion, and the DNC did not feel it needed DHS’s assistance at that time.”

So, if you were hacked by a foreign group and/or government, wouldn't you want the federal government to assist in bringing those responsible to light and justice?

 

[Grand Vol]

And wait! There's more!

http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/21/politics/jeh-johnson-congress-hearing/index.html

Rep. Peter King, a New York Republican, pressed Johnson on why the Democratic National Committee rejected the Department of Homeland Security's efforts to help after Russians hacked them.

"It's not even like it was a Republican administration trying to hack in the DNC," King said.

"I recall clearly that I was not pleased that we were not in there helping patch this vulnerability," Johnson said. But he added, "The Department of Homeland Security does not have the power to issue a search warrant to go in over their objections."

I do think this little tidbit was telling:

Johnson took heat from Democrats, angry that former President Barack Obama did not more forcefully announce Russia's meddling in the election in the midst of the election itself.

"Why wasn't that done? Was there thought given to that? Why was that course rejected?" asked Rep. Adam Schiff, the top Democrat on the House intelligence committee.

Johnson said that Obama clearly wanted that message out there, but did not want to make it look like he was putting his thumb on the scale for (Democratic presidential nominee) Hillary Clinton.

"We considered all those things and the decision was made that the Director of National Intelligence (James Clapper) and Department of Homeland Security together should make this statement," Johnson said.

 

[MT LeConte]

I just wonder how Trump will commit suicide. Double tap to back of the head? Chain himself to a cinder block, knock himself out, drive himself to an overpass, and then fall off? Accidentally swallow a radiation pill?

Let it be the radiation pill. I'd love to see that orange pelt slowly fall out in patches.

 

[carlos86]

Question. Does Muller have to ask the Dep AG for permission to deviate from the original scope of his investigation or can he freely roam as he pleases?

Im pretty sure he has free reign. If the investigation uncovers other crimes it would not be out side of his purview.

 

[hog88]

Im pretty sure he has free reign. If the investigation uncovers other crimes it would not be out side of his purview.

Good to know, and terrible for the country.

 

[AirVol]

Let it be the radiation pill. I'd love to see that orange pelt slowly fall out in patches.

WTF is wrong with you man?

 

[PKT_VOL]

Remember when this was about collusion between Trump and the Russians in the 2016 election?

Good times.

You must be old enough to remember.

We need you old guys to stick around and school us young grasshoppers on ancient history.

 

[golfballs]

Reports: Mueller Hires Another Clinton Donor for Trump-Russia Probe

 

[Carl Pickens]

I love how conservatives are always trotting out this stupid false equivalency between Obama or Clinton and Trump--as if there is any comparison. It is evidence of a weak, biased mind. The list of Trump's unethical behavior is a mile long. Obama had more integrity in his pinkie than Trump--and yet goofs try to pretend otherwise.

You should wipe your chin

 

[Carl Pickens]

Let it be the radiation pill. I'd love to see that orange pelt slowly fall out in patches.

Classy..... nice job

 

[armchair]

Russians tried to hack election systems in 21 states. We know the Russians hacked the election, or tried to rather comprehensively--and we know that there was a ton of contact and cozy behavior between Trump campaign flunkies and Russians--Carter Page, Manafort, Sessions, Flynn, Kusher--all pursing their lips for the Ruskies around the time of the election. Flynn was deeply compromised and yet was still appointed National Security Director. Nice. Trump's not uttered a word about the hacking--indeed, he tried to deny it for weeks until our intelligence agencies made a fool of him about the issue. So let's not pretend that this isn't worth investigating. Unlike the fake Clinton scandals, this is real. Sessions--our chief law enforcer--lied during his confirmation hearing about meetings with Russians. A mobster's administration....

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40357357

 

[Velo Vol]

And wait! There's more!

http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/21/politics/jeh-johnson-congress-hearing/index.html

We know.

 

[FLVOL69]

Russians tried to hack election systems in 21 states. We know the Russians hacked the election, or tried to rather comprehensively--and we know that there was a ton of contact and cozy behavior between Trump campaign flunkies and Russians--Carter Page, Manafort, Sessions, Flynn, Kusher--all pursing their lips for the Ruskies around the time of the election. Flynn was deeply compromised and yet was still appointed National Security Director. Nice. Trump's not uttered a word about the hacking--indeed, he tried to deny it for weeks until our intelligence agencies made a fool of him about the issue. So let's not pretend that this isn't worth investigating. Unlike the fake Clinton scandals, this is real. Sessions--our chief law enforcer--lied during his confirmation hearing about meetings with Russians. A mobster's administration....

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40357357

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[MT LeConte]

WTF is wrong with you man?

WTF is wrong with the guy I was responding to. Oh yeah, he's one of you so it's ok.




Second thought, I was wrong. My bad. I apologize. Double tap would be more humane.

 

[1972 Grad]

WTF is wrong with the guy I was responding to. Oh yeah, he's one of you so it's ok.




Second thought, I was wrong. My bad. I apologize. Double tap would be more humane.

Don't you still have someone you can take to the polls? I feel sure you could find a liberal Judge to extend voting hours.

 

[AirVol]

WTF is wrong with the guy I was responding to. Oh yeah, he's one of you so it's ok.




Second thought, I was wrong. My bad. I apologize. Double tap would be more humane.

Apology accepted. I know some of us go over the top at times, but we need to acknowledge when we do. Thanks LeConte.

 

[volger]

WTF is wrong with the guy I was responding to. Oh yeah, he's one of you so it's ok.




Second thought, I was wrong. My bad. I apologize. Double tap would be more humane.

I hope you're not planning on attending any GOP softball practices anytime soon.

Fkn loon.