TrumPutinGate

[luthervol]

Start here and work your way back to his first campaign

The World Tribune? Are you serious? Google "World Tribune credibility".

And there is no quote associated to Obama....talk about your fake news propaganda. You just offered up a classic example....thanks.

 

[FLVOL69]

The World Tribune? Are you serious? Google "World Tribune credibility".

And there is no quote associated to Obama....talk about your fake news propaganda. You just offered up a classic example....thanks.

Have another

 

[FLVOL69]

The World Tribune? Are you serious? Google "World Tribune credibility".

And there is no quote associated to Obama....talk about your fake news propaganda. You just offered up a classic example....thanks.

Then there's this ..

 

[FLVOL69]

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[FLVOL69]

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[Septic]

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You've just fallen into the trap of reading headlines and editorials that say obama criticized bush, without actually providing quotes or actual evidence of same.

Surely and as prevalent of his blaming is reported to be, there must be mountains of actual quotes where he directly blamed bush.

I'm pretty sure that's the problem - pundits and media outlets criticized and blamed bush, obama to my recollection rarely did, certainly never to the extent that trump is spreading it.

There's a huge difference.

 

[FLVOL69]

You've just fallen into the trap of reading headlines and editorials that say obama criticized bush, without actually providing quotes or actual evidence of same.

Surely and as prevalent of his blaming is reported to be, there must be mountains of actual quotes where he directly blamed bush.

I'm pretty sure that's the problem - pundits and media outlets criticized and blamed bush, obama to my recollection rarely did, certainly never to the extent that trump is spreading it.

There's a huge difference.

And you my friend have a very selective memory, either that or it's the onset of Alzheimer's. Obama started it in the 2008 campaign and criticized Bush for borrowed money from China and then he proceeded to double the ****ing debt.

 

[luthervol]

69...You did all that research? At least 2 are from when Obama was a candidate. Read the Town Hall article....pretty funny. You can post 100 more and will never remotely come close to showing Obama to be even one tenth as petty, rude, vindictive, and unpresidential toward Bush during his 8 years as Trump has been toward Obama in 150 days. Not even close. It's embarrassing to even claim similarity.

 

[Grand Vol]

You've just fallen into the trap of reading headlines and editorials that say obama criticized bush, without actually providing quotes or actual evidence of same.

Surely and as prevalent of his blaming is reported to be, there must be mountains of actual quotes where he directly blamed bush.

I'm pretty sure that's the problem - pundits and media outlets criticized and blamed bush, obama to my recollection rarely did, certainly never to the extent that trump is spreading it.

There's a huge difference.

While he perhaps rarely mentioned Bush directly, that's not to say he never used the word "inherited" problems that could be directly traced to Bush. As well as passing the blame to others without taking the "buck stops here" approach. And here's some selected examples:

Fast and Furious

“I think it’s important for us to understand that Fast and Furious was a field operation begun under the previous administration,” Obama said when asked if he will fire Attorney General Eric Holder.

VA Scandal (not directly to Bush and in fairness, every POTUS has punted on it)

“This predates my presidency. When I was in the Senate, I was on the Veterans Affairs Committee. I heard first-hand veterans who were not getting the kinds of services and benefits that they had earned,” the President said to the White House Press Corps this afternoon.

The budget

“I love it when these guys talk about debt and deficits,” Obama told supporters in Baltimore. “I inherited a trillion dollar deficit.”

Iran Nukes

“In 2003, when the Iranians made an offer to the former administration with respect to their nuclear program, there were 164 centrifuges,” Kerry said in a news conference held in the early hours of Nov. 24. “That offer was not taken. Subsequently, sanctions came in, and today there are 19,000 centrifuges and growing.”

Hell, we can dip all the way back to Ronald Reagan

“We’ve had a politics, frankly, you know, the entire Republican Party brand since Ronald Reagan has been ‘government’s the problem,’” the president said. “And if you, day after day, week after week, election after election, are running on that platform and that permeates our culture and it’s picked up by, you know, ordinary citizens who grow skeptical, then it’s not surprising that over time, trust in government declines.”

Because government didn't bring it on itself, you know?

Not even going to get into Benghazi...

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBb2EQmtnhQ[/youtube]

At what point does he stop and take accountability for his own actions?

 

[Septic]

While he perhaps rarely mentioned Bush directly, that's not to say he never used the word "inherited" problems that could be directly traced to Bush. A

Well, where does one draw the line between pointing out fact and blame? Many of the things you just pointed out are not subjective criticisms.

Trump for example, can blame obama for the ACA - but he looks stupid when he takes full credit for a recovering economy that's been on the rise for years.

 

[FLVOL69]

69...You did all that research? At least 2 are from when Obama was a candidate. Read the Town Hall article....pretty funny. You can post 100 more and will never remotely come close to showing Obama to be even one tenth as petty, rude, vindictive, and unpresidential toward Bush during his 8 years as Trump has been toward Obama in 150 days. Not even close. It's embarrassing to even claim similarity.

What's embarrassing is your lack of a memory when it comes to the eight years of nonstop bush bashing

 

[FLVOL69]

Well, where does one draw the line between pointing out fact and blame? Many of the things you just pointed out are not subjective criticisms.

Trump for example, can blame obama for the ACA - but he looks stupid when he takes full credit for a recovering economy that's been on the rise for years.

Eight years of subpar growth , never went over 2% GDP
Now who's being disingenuous ? 😂

 

[Grand Vol]

Well, where does one draw the line between pointing out fact and blame? Many of the things you just pointed out are not subjective criticisms.

Trump for example, can blame obama for the ACA - but he looks stupid when he takes full credit for a recovering economy that's been on the rise for years.

You're splitting hairs. The original point was Obama had a bad habit for passing the buck even to those in his own Administration. Remember the Bergdahl swap and how the blame was laid at Chuck Hagel's feet?

Time will tell whether Trump follows the same pattern. And before you say it, yes, he passed the buck on Yemen. But one time a pattern does not make.

But on your "credit" portion, each and every President takes credit for such things. You cannot single out Trump without also looking at every President that takes credit for something their predecessor might have gotten started.

 

[Septic]

And you my friend have a very selective memory, either that or it's the onset of Alzheimer's. Obama started it in the 2008 campaign and criticized Bush for borrowed money from China and then he proceeded to double the ****ing debt.

Sorry, the popular myth that "obama blamed bush for everything" is simply untrue. Your Washington Times headlines are not proof, in fact it simply reinforces my point.

I get it though, you've consumed so much Rush, Sean and Glen that you're incapable of distinguishing fable from reality, brainwashed if you will.

I'm not suggesting that O hasn't ever thrown shade on bush, just not anywhere near the level that is often used as a source of pseudo outrage. I think the point here is that you could fit all of the vitriol of obamas blame over the years into one of trumps 3am hate filled, drunken tweets.

 

[Velo Vol]

Trump for example, can blame obama for the ACA - but he looks stupid when he takes full credit for a recovering economy that's been on the rise for years.

Trump said he inherited a disaster, and then a month or two later was bragging about an economy that was basically unchanged from the "disaster."

He said the job growth numbers were fake, then magically, when he became president, they weren't fake anymore.

 

[Grand Vol]

Velo, you are an idiot.

 

[Septic]

Eight years of subpar growth , never went over 2% GDP
Now who's being disingenuous ? ��

Ah the old 2% gdp chain mail bullet point. Brilliant, until you factor in the state of the economy when obama was sworn in.

Can you imagine what he would have done with an economy that was booming and had a budgetary surplus like bush did (who barely managed to eek out a 2% gdp average over his tenure)?

Try gaining some perspective.

 

[Septic]

Velo, you are an idiot.

How's that?

Trump is governing by way of twitter, sound bites and 24 hour news cycles.

He's betting that American's are too stupid to remember what he said last week and if they're reminded, he calls it fake.

Mind boggling.

 

[Velo Vol]

Which president inherited more of a "disaster"?

September 2008 – 433,000 jobs lost
October 2008 – 489,000 jobs lost

 

[Septic]

Which president inherited more of a "disaster"?

September 2008 – 433,000 jobs lost
October 2008 – 489,000 jobs lost

For those unable to understand the implications, this isn't blaming bush so much as it's a graphical representation of what obama walked in to.

If one perceives it as a partisan "blame" then congratulations on at least partially understanding what that big dip in the info graphic means.

 

[Sandman 423]

For those unable to understand the implications, this isn't blaming bush so much as it's a graphical representation of what obama walked in to.

If one perceives it as a partisan "blame" then congratulations on at least partially understanding what that big dip in the info graphic means.

what do you think is driving the resurgence in the Us economy right now?

 

[Orange_Crush]

Of course it was gender and race bias...

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...gender-bias-linked-to-unmasking-backlash.html

That name is so appropriate, lol.

ToMasky or not ToMasky. That is the question!

 

[Velo Vol]

He's betting that American's are too stupid to remember what he said last week and if they're reminded, he calls it fake.

In some cases earlier the same day.

I've never seen anything like it.

 

[Septic]

what do you think is driving the resurgence in the Us economy right now?

You'll have to elaborate on what you mean by "resurgence."

 

[1972 Grad]

Ah the old 2% gdp chain mail bullet point. Brilliant, until you factor in the state of the economy when obama was sworn in.

Can you imagine what he would have done with an economy that was booming and had a budgetary surplus like bush did (who barely managed to eek out a 2% gdp average over his tenure)?

Try gaining some perspective.

So, Bush walked into a pile of cash to squander, did he?