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Septic said:
How's that?
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I'll start here and address your other comments with separate remarks.

Why do I make such comments? Because of childish behavior. It's very simply put that Velo continues to ignore facts when tossed into his face and merrily goes his childish way in posting. You? Even though you like to argue just as much as I do will eventually concede a point. Like the fact all Presidents take credit for things that happen on their watch. Each and every one of them. Not something you can (or will) argue as you know it's true.

Hell, I'll even take it a step further and say each and every President blames the previous Administrations at some point over something. Fair assessment?

But Velo? Even after I post that all Presidents are guilty of it, he goes on to post yet another childish insult about Trump blaming Obama for something. For ****'s sake, when does this idiocy stop? He's just as bad as JoeVol or Franklin Pierce at ignoring direct evidence to the contrary and posting the same **** over and over again. It's childish, ignorant and it's getting real ****ing old. You want to know why people are going to reelect Trump in 2020? Because of idiots like him. And the media. They are going to dig their heels in because they are getting sick of hearing about it. And will vote (again) for Trump out of pure spite. Is that smart? No, but until those idiots figure it out, that's exactly what's going to happen.

Enough of the childishness.
 
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#8,202
Septic said:
Trump is governing by way of twitter, sound bites and 24 hour news cycles.

He's betting that American's are too stupid to remember what he said last week and if they're reminded, he calls it fake.

Mind boggling.
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Welcome to the future. Pretty much any candidate is going to have to use social media to an extent in the future. And while Trump's use is way excessive, too much in my opinion, it's pretty much going to be that way going forward.

But he's not the first President to ever think Americans are too stupid to remember what he said or did previously. Or the first President to call news "fake" or terms thereof. I'm going to reach back to Obama (I know how you love that) and remind you of him blaming Fox News for keeping stories in the news. While he didn't say the words "fake" in interviews he did, he certainly made mention the facts were incorrect. Obama just said it nicer than Trump does. But he did question the veracity of the media reporting, make no mistake about it.
 
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1972 Grad said:
So, Bush walked into a pile of cash to squander, did he?
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¯\_(ツ)_/¯

The Budget and Deficit Under Clinton

FederalDeficit(1).jpg
 
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#8,204
Septic said:
You'll have to elaborate on what you mean by "resurgence."
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It was good. Then it wasn't for a while. Now it is getting good again. There is no hidden gotcha question. I like to know where other people are coming from when the talk about issues.
 
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Sandman 423 said:
It was good. Then it wasn't for a while. Now it is getting good again. There is no hidden gotcha question. I like to know where other people are coming from when the talk about issues.
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I believe that the stock market has improved slightly due to the promise of deregulation, lower corporate taxes, repeal of the ACA, elimination of environmental protections etc. These would obviously help contribute to the return potential investors are looking for.

Whether these promises come to fruition is a mystery, the promise or hope of corporate improvement is often all is needed to move the needle of "economic" improvement.

Obviously, extraneous geopolitical and global economic pressures could hasten an improvement or pressure a decline as quick or quicker than any internal force.
 
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Grand Vol said:
If I was to put my tin foil hat on, I'd say the real reason was Obama just didn't like Hillary either and couldn't stomach the thought of her being in the White House.

No real love lost between the Obamas and Clintons.

But that's a tin foil idea for another day.
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If that were so, why warn them at all so that they could take action? Even though they didn't.

Seems to me that the concern about appearing to favor her with national intelligence apparatus was real.
 
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luthervol said:
There's a 50+ year history of greater fiscal responsibility under democratic administrations than republican administrations. That's not the narrative that has been pounded into the minds of the general public so it therefore must not be true.
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This opinion is not supported by facts. Assuming you define fiscal responsibility accurately.
 
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luthervol said:
There's a 50+ year history of greater fiscal responsibility under democratic administrations than republican administrations. That's not the narrative that has been pounded into the minds of the general public so it therefore must not be true.
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How many times did the debt decrease in this 50 year history?
 
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luthervol said:
Here's a start. Check out the %'s.
www.thebalance.com/us-debt-by-president-by-dollar-and-percent-3306296
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Barack Obama: Added
George W. Bush: Added
Bill Clinton: Added
George H.W. Bush: Added
Ronald Reagan: Added
Jimmy Carter: Added
Gerald Ford: Added
Richard Nixon: Added
Lyndon B. Johnson: Added
John F. Kennedy: Added
Dwight Eisenhower: Added

I'll stop here since 1957 is the last time the debt decreased from one fiscal year to the next.

This is all that matters. % of GDP is irrelevant. We're not going to outgrow or even keep up with spending. Servicing the interest has been manageable only because the interest rate has been nothing for years.
 
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luthervol said:
There's a 50+ year history of greater fiscal responsibility under democratic administrations than republican administrations. That's not the narrative that has been pounded into the minds of the general public so it therefore must not be true.
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I think both parties suck on fiscal responsibility. They just find different ways to waste money.
 
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