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ClearwaterVol said:
I agree that many people would take the meeting and I believe that it could be done while being in more ethically sound territory. Meet them. Document the meet with emails etc. Get the info or don't and disclose the meeting to the proper authorities. To lie about it for a year puts you in the position of appearing guilty.
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Ethics mean **** in political races these days, there is only legal and illegal. Any politician saying they wouldn't take the meeting or have a surrogate take it is a damn liar.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Okay, let's put this into what they (probably) said (since you didn't include a link)

"I/We would never meet a source that was associated with the Russian Government to get information on a political rival!"


"We'd find someone beneath us to do it for us, thus, keeping our hands clean."
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Isn't that what is going on from Russia and the Trump campaign?
 
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Grand Vol said:
Many? Try all of them.

At least you replied. Poor LG is still trying to find the talking points.
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Quite frankly, the meeting would give me the heebies and I would want no part of it. It is in an ethical territory in which I don't like to operate. I will venture into gray areas in the defense of a client with legal arguments, but I would not risk my career in this case.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
I agree that many people would take the meeting and I believe that it could be done while being in more ethically sound territory. Meet them. Document the meet with emails etc. Get the info or don't and disclose the meeting to the proper authorities. To lie about it for a year puts you in the position of appearing guilty.
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Maybe he would have done that had the meeting yielded any significant information but since it didn't he didn't think the meeting was problem.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
It is absolutely relevant. If he believed that he was meeting with a Russian operative, it changes things. Intent matters.
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I agree. Intent matters. Does not change the fact that it isn't a crime (at least not based on what we know) and isn't treason. Shady as hell? Yes. Stupid as hell? Yes. Crime? No. Treason? No. The fact that just about every other sleazy politician would have fallen into this honeypot is not a relevant defense for Trump. He ran on the basis of not being your typical sleazy politician, so this is definitely a strike against him in that regard.
 
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Mick said:
Isn't that what is going on from Russia and the Trump campaign?
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The question isn't whether or not the meeting was improper (I believe it was).

The question is LG's sanctimonious post about "well, others say they'd never go."

I'm waving the BS flag huge on that one. You damn well know there isn't a major campaign for POTUS that wouldn't send someone.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I know where you work, or more specifically, the agency which you work for.

Head on over and talk to the narcotics guys or burglary or any of the major crimes units and ask them if a CI had information pertaining to a potential ongoing case whether they would ignore a meeting. They aren't going to say "no, our hands are too Lilly white to meet with a known criminal even though it could lead to something."

Don't be naive in thinking neither the GOP or DNC wouldn't jump on a meeting like that in a heartbeat. Sure, they probably wouldn't use such a public figure like DT Jr or Manafort, but make no mistake, someone's going to that meeting to find out what's up.
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That is a ludicrous analogy. And a lousy defense.

I rarely post, but I read this board pretty regularly just to get some fringe perspective. Let me tell you...Grand Vol, AirVol, hog88, golfballs, and volfanjustin...you guys truly are a something else. Great entertainment, and the mental gymnastics...truly impressive.
 
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SamRebel35 said:
I agree. Intent matters. Does not change the fact that it isn't a crime (at least not based on what we know) and isn't treason. Shady as hell? Yes. Stupid as hell? Yes. Crime? No. Treason? No. The fact that just about every other sleazy politician would have fallen into this honeypot is not a relevant defense for Trump. He ran on the basis of not being your typical sleazy politician, so this is definitely a strike against him in that regard.
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I'll admit that I'm "sleazy" enough to take the meeting. Being that I'm not a lawyer and I don't get paid unless I win (bid, contract ext) I don't see it as even stupid on his part. What was stupid is him emailing about it, young ****ers need to learn how to pick up the phone!
 
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justvollowing said:
That is a ludicrous analogy. And a lousy defense.

I rarely post, but I read this board pretty regularly just to get some fringe perspective. Let me tell you...Grand Vol, AirVol, hog88, golfballs, and volfanjustin...you guys truly are a something else. Great entertainment, and the mental gymnastics...truly impressive.
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Thanks, I'll be here all day. Tips are welcome.
 
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justvollowing said:
That is a ludicrous analogy. And a lousy defense.

I rarely post, but I read this board pretty regularly just to get some fringe perspective. Let me tell you...Grand Vol, AirVol, hog88, golfballs, and volfanjustin...you guys truly are a something else. Great entertainment, and the mental gymnastics...truly impressive.
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Probably a good thing. If you aren't smart enough to see the analogy, you shouldn't be commenting. And it wasn't a defense.

Run back to lurking. Cheerio.
 
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Grand Vol said:
The question isn't whether or not the meeting was improper (I believe it was).

The question is LG's sanctimonious post about "well, others say they'd never go."

I'm waving the BS flag huge on that one. You damn well know there isn't a major campaign for POTUS that wouldn't send someone.
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I think you're right. If they would have offered up dirt on Trump to Hillary's campaign we would be talking about impeachment for her. The optics would be the same and the concerns would be the same.
 
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