TrumPutinGate

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Orange_Crush said:
I processed it. I'm asking for further clarification, as opposed to a bunch of questions that kicked the can down the relativity road.

You'll need to establish what standard of judgment makes it objectively OK for Obama to do what is objectively wrong for Trump to do.

Please provide that standard, other than we need to trust Your and Obama's intellect and judge trump as too dumb to do it

Because those aren't objective standards. That's just your opinion masquerading as... well... something. But it's not objective standards.

You've accused others of a lack of respect for "truth", and an inability to deal with truth in a rational way. If that's the game you want to play, it's up to you to establish your truth as something besides your opinions, preferences, and desires.

So... Go, luther. You're the harbinger of truth. Now's your opportunity to seize the day and live up to your own billing.

Go.
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There is no standard. It's one of the many areas where the country must put faith in the wisdom and judgement of their elected leader. Obama lived up to the role and Trump does not. It's subjective. It falls to the court of public opinion.

If there is ever to be a concrete standard developed, I'd gladly sit in and offer my insight.
 
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Vol8188 said:
You forgot the Haitian from this week
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You know someone should start a thread on this HaitianClinton gate thing because I would like to know the motives for all these killings. Seriously, If the Clintons' are going around killing people there should be a thread.
 
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luthervol said:
It's not disingenuous to act like you're misquoting me when you are in fact misquoting me. Other than that, I honestly don't know what you're talking about. My "plausible deniability" answer was to a question posed by Mcdad. If you asked the same question, then I would give you the same answer. Victim card?

Your myopia may be leading to confusion.
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Luther, they were meant as "air quotes", as I was sure that anyone with an eighth grade reading and comprehension level would have automatically spotted that I wasn't attributing that specific sentence to you, but was instead encapsulating the quote that I had actually quoted twice before in this very discussion.

That's twice that you've refused to deal with the points of the debate and instead called my integrity into question as an excuse for not dealing with said points. That, friend, is called an ad hominem fallacy, and it could be seen as a bit cowardly.

And McDad was asking for an explanation of the very quote that I quoted twice. I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. You were refusing to explain yourself on that quote, and admitting you needed "plausible deniability" about it.

Do you want to stop playing the victim card, accusing me of being a big, lying meany-pants, stop trying to change the subjects, and stick to the points? Or are you satisfied just trying to convince people that you're really not a close minded hypocrite by acting like I never quoted you, and you never admitted you ran from the quote toward "plausible deniability"?

I mean, either is OK. You just look pitiful and ridiculous doing it.
 
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luthervol said:
There is no standard. It's one of the many areas where the country must put faith in the wisdom and judgement of their elected leader. Obama lived up to the role and Trump does not. It's subjective. It falls to the court of public opinion.

If there is ever to be a concrete standard developed, I'd gladly sit in and offer my insight.
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You went back to opinion, my friend. If you're going to chastise others about their supposed failures per truth, don't you think that you should be willing to bring some, as opposed to resting all of your arguments on your opinion?

I mean... Like I said... Now's your chance to step up and seize the day, luther. You may never have an opportunity like this again...
 
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Mick said:
You know someone should start a thread on this HaitianClinton gate thing because I would like to know the motives for all these killings. Seriously, If the Clintons' are going around killing people there should be a thread.
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Already been one.
 
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Vol8188 said:
It was the person who made the gif of Trump body slamming them or something. There is debate over the age of the person, but there's no debate over CNN blackmailing him
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People would know this if they got out out the CNN/MSNBC/NYT echo chamber occasionally.
 
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luthervol said:
That is just more right wing fake news and misinformation. Here are the facts.


http://www.latimes.com/politics/washington/la-na-trump-russia-1499974350-htmlstory.html

Below are the last two paragraphs from the article. She was a lawyer defending a case in NY involving some of Trump's Russian real estate acquaintances. The investigation was being lead by Bharara who was abruptly fired by Trump.


In a subpoena from September, prosecutors from the Southern District of New York summoned another figure in the alleged scheme, Andrei Pavlov, to testify before a grand jury in New York. According to the subpoena, which was attached to a court filing, prosecutors wanted Pavlov to bring documents and copies of his correspondence with six people – including Veselnitskaya.

The United States attorney supervising that investigation, Preet Bharara, was fired by Trump in January after what the lawyer said were a series of “uncomfortable” calls in which Trump seemed to be trying to compromise his independence.
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That wraps it up neatly then. Obviously Veselnitskaya is Pavlov's dog. Still Obama let her in and she wasn't quarantined as required.
 
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luthervol said:
It's not about the media with which you disagree, it's about the objective of the media.
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Now you're getting it. Take off the blinders and the rose tinted glasses so you can see what all the media are doing. Hint: look harder at the propaganda agencies you subscribe to.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
You went back to opinion, my friend. If you're going to chastise others about their supposed failures per truth, don't you think that you should be willing to bring some, as opposed to resting all of your arguments on your opinion?

I mean... Like I said... Now's your chance to step up and seize the day, luther. You may never have an opportunity like this again...
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You are certifiable at times. At a minimum, you're not much of a thinker. Move from the concrete to the abstract sometime; it may be eye opening.

I imagine that every dog with a tail will occasionally chase his own tail. Most dogs will either figure out that it's their own tail and get bored rather quickly or catch it. Some dogs seem to go on and on. I picture you as that dog that will chase their own tail until they pass out from exhaustion, fall asleep, and immediately start chasing their tail again as soon as they wake up.

Hint: If you ask me to explain this statement and I don't, it doesn't mean that I'm running and hiding; it may just mean that I feel that whatever is not clearly implied is intended for personal interpretation.

I'm suspicious that you may have been Trump's handshake coach.
 
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AM64 said:
Now you're getting it. Take off the blinders and the rose tinted glasses so you can see what all the media are doing. Hint: look harder at the propaganda agencies you subscribe to.
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Blinders and rose tinted glasses? That's cute. I do look closely. Hopefully, we all increasingly do.
 
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FLVOL69 said:
I'm about what's best for our country numbnuts, I find it hilarious you claim to be a small business owner and yet you can't see the forest for the trees. And your posts are way more liberal leaning than conservative dude, sorry you and the rest of the Clinton Panty sniffers can't get over the loss. Trumps not going anywhere and it's your side who's in demise, that of course is your biggest fear, you know you guys are toast the more successful Trump is. Bon appétit
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Personally speaking, idgaf about whose side is winning or rising or falling. Thats where we differ. I couldnt care less about the democratic party. If the whole thing dissolved tomorrow I wouldnt give a ****. I dont care about Hillary, Obama was a decent POTUS but I dont believe he was incapable of doing wrong. All you care about is "your side" winning. I would rather have a POTUS that is a decent human being and not a complete embarassment to anyone with a IQ higher than that ****ing bag of chips. Its laughable you claim all you want is whats best for the country then just talk **** about the democratic party simply because you feel like you've somehow "won" something. You havent won anything. Trump played you and you look stupid for blindly supporting an embicil simply because he has an R in front of his name and "the other side lost."
 
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Word is there could've been a 9th person in the meeting with Trump Jr, Manafort, Kushner and the Russian lawyer. That room is getting full. Could pass Trump's inauguration crowd before we know it.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Word is there could've been a 9th person in the meeting with Trump Jr, Manafort, Kushner and the Russian lawyer. That room is getting full. Could pass Trump's inauguration crowd before we know it.
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I've heard some buzz that Donny will eventually make a cameo appearance in this film, although likely on a video or phone call rather than in person.

A bit speculative though. The people I follow don't really seem to know for sure.
 
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Orangedogsrule said:
If this proves true, it's time all aspects of the Clinton Fund are shutdown.

Arrests for treason and collusion with the most dangerous foreign power America has must, must, must happen. Treason is ..

ah, Im not near as good at diatribes like this issue needs as volfprof.

He should take over berating the Clintons and their attempt to influence the election with the Russians.

Below you can see the financing scheme of H. Clinton's election campaign using IMF's loans that were intended for Ukraine.
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The Clintons will pimp for anybody if the price is right.
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
Personally speaking, idgaf about whose side is winning or rising or falling. Thats where we differ. I couldnt care less about the democratic party. If the whole thing dissolved tomorrow I wouldnt give a ****. I dont care about Hillary, Obama was a decent POTUS but I dont believe he was incapable of doing wrong. All you care about is "your side" winning. I would rather have a POTUS that is a decent human being and not a complete embarassment to anyone with a IQ higher than that ****ing bag of chips. Its laughable you claim all you want is whats best for the country then just talk **** about the democratic party simply because you feel like you've somehow "won" something. You havent won anything. Trump played you and you look stupid for blindly supporting an embicil simply because he has an R in front of his name and "the other side lost."
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You're a lefty leaning race baiting bufoon, I don't give two ****s what you think . For someone Who claims not to support the Dems you're mighty flustered there bruh. We have won and we will continue to win i.e. Implement trumps agenda. Trump got a run as an independent and I still would've voted for him, it's all about the agenda not the ****ing letter in front of his name.
 
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