TrumPutinGate

[LouderVol]

Our IC is not the enemy. Liberals are not the enemy. Russian money and influence is. Don't let Trump tell you otherwise. Your time might be better served if you investigate "Pilotgate". Haslam, Schiano, and Pilot bathrooms; Something stinks.

when you paint with broad brushes it tends to piss off the people caught under the paint. they may not be the enemy, but they are not helping the situation.

it would go a long way to bridging the gaps if you also said that conservatives were also not the enemy. you aren't going to win hearts and minds but drawing such harsh lines "Agree with us or you are traitors". that doesn't sell.

 

[Mick]

Didn't Obama and the Dems scoff at this idea 5 years ago?

Barack Obama in 2005: Most Important Security Threat Lies in Russia - YouTube

Watch this from 2005. Remember the recent revelations that Russia was selling technology to NK. They did downplay the Russian threat during that election and that is when they started their massive scale cyber attacks but not even Mitt knew of the impending aggressions.

On CNN, Romney called Russia “without question our No. 1 geopolitical foe.” Asked to clarify, Romney explained that he believes the “greatest threat the U.S. faces is a nuclear Iran” but that Russia typically blocks U.S. efforts to block countries such as Syria at the United Nations.

“Who is it who always stands up for the world’s worst actors? It’s always Russia, typically with China alongside,” Romney said. “Russia is not a friendly character on the world stage.”

Last I checked Iran is not nuclear.

 

[Mick]

when you paint with broad brushes it tends to piss off the people caught under the paint. they may not be the enemy, but they are not helping the situation.

it would go a long way to bridging the gaps if you also said that conservatives were also not the enemy. you aren't going to win hearts and minds but drawing such harsh lines "Agree with us or you are traitors". that doesn't sell.

I was commenting to an anti-liberal poster, not too unlike yourself, that comes into every thread saying libtard and similar attacks and you want me to say lets be friends. Is that what you expect a liberal to do. Ignorance is the enemy to unity and I'm at war with the ignorant. Your type is treating me like the enemy and therefore I am. I hope this investigation shatters everything you have been told to believe and once you start thinking for yourself we can be friends.

 

[theFallGuy]

with Trump and this administration on the issue of Russia. Please. For that matter, don't care Obama's professional, responsible, adult administration with this destructive, idiot president and his amateur crazies on anything.

huh?

 

[LouderVol]

I was commenting to an anti-liberal poster, not too unlike yourself, that comes into every thread saying libtard and similar attacks and you want me to say lets be friends. Is that what you expect a liberal to do. Ignorance is the enemy to unity and I'm at war with the ignorant. Your type is treating me like the enemy and therefore I am. I hope this investigation shatters everything you have been told to believe and once you start thinking for yourself we can be friends.

thank you for proving my point.

I hate both parties. Please find one post where I used the term libtard where I wasn't quoting someone or making a point; I don't even call armchair any of the derogatory versions of that handle. I have typed until I have bloody fingers that one can only vote FOR someone and that we shouldn't even have political parties.

I tend to lean conservative but not republican in the slightest. I hate Trump, I think he is the worst president we have had. and I have said so from the beginning. Put a helmet on because I am about to blow your mind and I don't want you to leave a mess: I just bought my first gun. I bought it BECAUSE Trump was elected. I don't believe Obama was Kenyan, I do believe Russia is our biggest enemy, have long before the Dems jumped on the bandwagon. neither party represents my interests and I am ashamed that either exists to represent the people of this fine nation. I have a professional degree and job, and love living in a big city. I do more daily to help with global warming than 99% of people do in a lifetime, part of my job.

I like to consider myself middle America, and because I don't fall in line you have shunted me to be one of "them". stop pointing out differences, stop working in absolutes.

you aren't going to educate or remove ignorance if you refuse to work with the uneducated and label them as your enemy for not seeing things the way you do.

 

[Mick]

thank you for proving my point.

I hate both parties. Please find one post where I used the term libtard where I wasn't quoting someone or making a point; I don't even call armchair any of the derogatory versions of that handle. I have typed until I have bloody fingers that one can only vote FOR someone and that we shouldn't even have political parties.

I tend to lean conservative but not republican in the slightest. I hate Trump, I think he is the worst president we have had. and I have said so from the beginning. Put a helmet on because I am about to blow your mind and I don't want you to leave a mess: I just bought my first gun. I bought it BECAUSE Trump was elected. I don't believe Obama was Kenyan, I do believe Russia is our biggest enemy, have long before the Dems jumped on the bandwagon. neither party represents my interests and I am ashamed that either exists to represent the people of this fine nation. I have a professional degree and job, and love living in a big city. I do more daily to help with global warming than 99% of people do in a lifetime, part of my job.

I like to consider myself middle America, and because I don't fall in line you have shunted me to be one of "them". stop pointing out differences, stop working in absolutes.

you aren't going to educate or remove ignorance if you refuse to work with the uneducated and label them as your enemy for not seeing things the way you do.

Your just trolling because I didn't say "the Conservative weren't the enemy as well". My apologizes if my post wasn't middle ground enough for you. Your offense from my post was just you flying into the paint.

 

[MT LeConte]

Looks like the first rat is jumping off the USS Trump in order to make a deal. Anyone here think he's the last?


Michael Flynn's lawyer meets with members of special counsel's team, raising specter of plea deal - ABC News

 

[Mick]

The lawyer for President Donald Trump’s former national security adviser Michael Flynn met Monday morning with members of Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s team, the latest indication that both sides are discussing a possible plea deal, ABC News has learned.

That process would typically include a series of off-the-record discussions in which prosecutors lay out in detail for Flynn and his lawyers the fruits of their investigation into his activities. Prosecutors would also provide Flynn an opportunity to offer what’s called a “proffer,” detailing what information, if any, he has that could implicate others in wrongdoing.

Michael Flynn's lawyer meets with members of special counsel's team, raising specter of plea deal - ABC News

I think Flynn has a story to tell. He was compromised and a national security threat and named the National Security Advisor by trump in spite of warnings from the previous administration.

 

[Vol8188]

Our IC is not the enemy. Liberals are not the enemy. Russian money and influence is. Don't let Trump tell you otherwise. Your time might be better served if you investigate "Pilotgate". Haslam, Schiano, and Pilot bathrooms; Something stinks.

Our intelligence community is 100% the enemy of freedom and that stance has 0 to do with trump. The same intelligence community that has made plans to intentionally kill Americans to insight wars and the same community that takes part in unconditional data collection.

An enemy of the constitution is an enemy of the people and should be charged with treason

 

[Mick]

Our intelligence community is 100% the enemy of freedom and that stance has 0 to do with trump. The same intelligence community that has made plans to intentionally kill Americans to insight wars and the same community that takes part in unconditional data collection.

An enemy of the constitution is an enemy of the people and should be charged with treason

WikiLeaks and fake news will keep you safe.

 

[LouderVol]

Your just trolling because I didn't say "the Conservative weren't the enemy as well". My apologizes if my post wasn't middle ground enough for you. Your offense from my post was just you flying into the paint.

mhm, yes trolling. having an opinion, stance and background that doesn't easily align with either party. oh how we have fallen.

 

[MT LeConte]

Our intelligence community is 100% the enemy of freedom and that stance has 0 to do with trump. The same intelligence community that has made plans to intentionally kill Americans to insight wars and the same community that takes part in unconditional data collection.

An enemy of the constitution is an enemy of the people and should be charged with treason

My bat $h!t crazy alert light just started flashing wildly.

 

[Mick]

mhm, yes trolling. having an opinion, stance and background that doesn't easily align with either party. oh how we have fallen.

Since you are here what do you think of the Russia investigation? Is there something rotten there or is it a witch hunt?

 

[LouderVol]

Since you are here what do you think of the Russia investigation? Is there something rotten there or is it a witch hunt?

oh there definitely is something rotten. but at the same time what is going on has definitely fallen to witch hunt levels. I raised the point with LG last week. If he is so pinned to the wall, why hasn't he been removed from office? Surely some real steps would have been taken if he is a TRAITOR. surely something could be done to remove him from power without full impeachment, put Pence in charge while there is the investigation. If pence is involved then give him the boot too.

What is frightening to me is not is Trump a traitor, its what if Trump is a traitor and Washington has done diddly to stop him? there is so much complacency at hand it begs the question of should this investigation spread beyond Team Trump and the Rs?

I have said it before and will say it again. I really wish we looked at each candidate this deeply. maybe finally people would see how bad the swamp really is and change would actually happen.

 

[Mick]

oh there definitely is something rotten. but at the same time what is going on has definitely fallen to witch hunt levels. I raised the point with LG last week. If he is so pinned to the wall, why hasn't he been removed from office? Surely some real steps would have been taken if he is a TRAITOR. surely something could be done to remove him from power without full impeachment, put Pence in charge while there is the investigation. If pence is involved then give him the boot too.

What is frightening to me is not is Trump a traitor, its what if Trump is a traitor and Washington has done diddly to stop him? there is so much complacency at hand it begs the question of should this investigation spread beyond Team Trump and the Rs?

I have said it before and will say it again. I really wish we looked at each candidate this deeply. maybe finally people would see how bad the swamp really is and change would actually happen.

It is part of the process. Can't just strip him of his position and duties that go with it. I would like to.

They have been down every rabbit hole of the Clintons playing their partisan games and all they have to show for it is a bunch of ignorant people pining for personal emails. People easily overlooked that Trump was a credit risk in America and relied on foreign investors to swindle hard working American out of money. He always paid his lawyers but never his contractors. Filed multiple bankruptcies I knew this going in as did everyone that read a respected "Fake News" article.
So you think this is a witch hunt and want to investigate others. Let me guess the Uranium one deal right?

 

[LouderVol]

It is part of the process. Can't just strip him of his position and duties that go with it. I would like to. I wouldn't mind there being a suspension clause added, give it a time line so it can't last indefinitely like this investigation is.

They have been down every rabbit hole of the Clintons playing their partisan games and all they have to show for it is a bunch of ignorant people pining for personal emails. and work emails on a private server outside the bounds of US security. she has already proven to be a security risk the only question is if there was any damage.People easily overlooked that Trump was a credit risk in America and relied on foreign investors to swindle hard working American out of money. He always paid his lawyers but never his contractors. Filed multiple bankruptcies I knew this going in as did everyone that read a respected "Fake News" article. I think all the people who voted for him (or a good number) knew it as well. he was an international business man of course there was outside money coming in. thats how he became an "international" business man. were his dealings shady? oh yeah. but it has no relevance to his presidency. 2007 trump had no clue what 2015 Trump was going to do.
So you think this is a witch hunt and want to investigate others. Let me guess the Uranium one deal right?

as far as the investigations I am much more interested in Debbie Wasserman Shultz and the spy from Pakistan. and as I said, look into each and every one of them. My guy was Kasich, investigate him too. Apply the same set of standards to each one and lets find out how many of "my people" are dirty.

lets drag UT into this comparison. We just tried to hire a coach who has been alleged to known about the rapes (probably false) and TN fans stood up and said no. we don't want someone who is even tangentially tied to those disgusting actions. now those same fans (low information mouth breathing truck drivers) largely voted for Trump (he won the state and we are probably the biggest block in the state). How do you think our fan base would react if it was proven Trump was guilty of any it? I am saying there would be the same reaction just multiplied exponentially. If anything is proven, you will see a huge shift from supporters to torches and pitch forks. I am willing to bet just about anything on that. and it will be us backwards southerners being the ones there to carry his ass to the electric chair.

don't lump everyone into one basket. any other population was pigeonholed so hard it would be racist. as it is? Apparently we have it coming and we are supposed to roll over and take it while one side talks about how pretty our mouth is. not exactly what I would consider unifying or for the good of this country.

 

[Mick]

as far as the investigations I am much more interested in Debbie Wasserman Shultz and the spy from Pakistan. and as I said, look into each and every one of them. My guy was Kasich, investigate him too. Apply the same set of standards to each one and lets find out how many of "my people" are dirty.

lets drag UT into this comparison. We just tried to hire a coach who has been alleged to known about the rapes (probably false) and TN fans stood up and said no. we don't want someone who is even tangentially tied to those disgusting actions. now those same fans (low information mouth breathing truck drivers) largely voted for Trump (he won the state and we are probably the biggest block in the state). How do you think our fan base would react if it was proven Trump was guilty of any it? I am saying there would be the same reaction just multiplied exponentially. If anything is proven, you will see a huge shift from supporters to torches and pitch forks. I am willing to bet just about anything on that. and it will be us backwards southerners being the ones there to carry his ass to the electric chair.

don't lump everyone into one basket. any other population was pigeonholed so hard it would be racist. as it is? Apparently we have it coming and we are supposed to roll over and take it while one side talks about how pretty our mouth is. not exactly what I would consider unifying or for the good of this country.

This is the Trumputingate II thread. When something comes down that DWS pipe let us know and not say don't lump us in the same group. Your are not in the middle of anything. Your are straight line Republican Conservative spewing the same Right wing propaganda. It takes some mental gymnastics to say something smells rotten and the investigation has gone on for too long because its a witch hunt. Still think the personal emails contain the key to something. Your sole purpose coming into this thread was not to discuss or see how the investigations was going but to troll. You jumped in with both feet to be offended by my post.

 

[LouderVol]

and whats happened in the investigation? You got him now? we have been hearing the same stuff for months.

you are clearly upset I don't fit into your box. for being so enlightened you don't like your "knowledge" being challenged and are afraid of new ideas.

 

[Mick]

and whats happened in the investigation? You got him now? we have been hearing the same stuff for months.

you are clearly upset I don't fit into your box. for being so enlightened you don't like your "knowledge" being challenged and are afraid of new ideas.

I'm trying to get you out of the box. Hillary's mailbox that is. if you seriously think her server was hacked it would be on WikiLeaks. I've heard about Hillary's emails for I don't know how many years and you still want to investigate it; meanwhile, investigating the Trump campaign and Russian interference is a witch hunt.

If you feel trapped in some sort of box you really shouldn't jump in it when I open it up to beat back some anti-lib's nonsense.

 

[LouderVol]

have you seen me call for the investigation to close? On this page I even provided a link on Russian meddling in US affairs. If anyone can prove Trump colluded with the Russians I hope he gets locked up. but I am not going to jump at every story that tells a negative story. as always the truth is always somewhere in the middle. It boggles my mind that in America where we can walk into any story and get fifty options that we are so dogmatic about having only two choices for what actually matters. and whats more both of our choices come from the same place.

And you aren't paying attention if you think the argument that Hillary's emails got hacked. It's a literal crime they existed outside of secure server. I don't care if Bush and who ever also did it, lock them up to. We have been sending servicemen to jail for less. She broke the law and got away with it after getting caught red handed and lying about it under oath. surprising you want someone so forgetful in charge. I want an equal application of everything.

In my perfect world neither Hilary nor Trump would have been the candidates in the primary.

 

[Mick]

have you seen me call for the investigation to close? On this page I even provided a link on Russian meddling in US affairs. If anyone can prove Trump colluded with the Russians I hope he gets locked up. but I am not going to jump at every story that tells a negative story. as always the truth is always somewhere in the middle. It boggles my mind that in America where we can walk into any story and get fifty options that we are so dogmatic about having only two choices for what actually matters. and whats more both of our choices come from the same place.

And you aren't paying attention if you think the argument that Hillary's emails got hacked. It's a literal crime they existed outside of secure server. I don't care if Bush and who ever also did it, lock them up to. We have been sending servicemen to jail for less. She broke the law and got away with it after getting caught red handed and lying about it under oath. surprising you want someone so forgetful in charge. I want an equal application of everything.

In my perfect world neither Hilary nor Trump would have been the candidates in the primary.

That is so petty to lock anyone up over an unhacked email server because it wasn't as "secure" as the ones at the State Department and other government agencies that were hacked. Hell if she didn't have a private server you would want to lock her up for the security breach at the State Department. That is the way of the GOP. Wanted to make her the murderer of Benghazi, testify under oath and try to get her on perjury. Her server was secure on the encryption and transmission but since it was in her basement it was not "physically" secure and the emails were not preserved to an official government record. That is the extent of her errors and does not rise to criminal.

She is not the president and never will be. Neither her nor her email server have a bearing on my life or Government policy or National Security. I actually help elect Trump by not buying what they (dems) were pushing. But go on and try to tell me how middle of the road you are. Too many on the right swallowed their pride and dignity to cast their vote for Nationalism just because they didn't want an "evil" Democrat in office. They sided with white nationalism and embraced the hate they have been fed.

 

[LouderVol]

That is so petty to lock anyone up over an unhacked email server because it wasn't as "secure" as the ones at the State Department and other government agencies that were hacked. Hell if she didn't have a private server you would want to lock her up for the security breach at the State Department. That is the way of the GOP. Wanted to make her the murderer of Benghazi, testify under oath and try to get her on perjury. Her server was secure on the encryption and transmission but since it was in her basement it was not "physically" secure and the emails were not preserved to an official government record. That is the extent of her errors and does not rise to criminal.

She is not the president and never will be. Neither her nor her email server have a bearing on my life or Government policy or National Security. I actually help elect Trump by not buying what they (dems) were pushing. But go on and try to tell me how middle of the road you are. Too many on the right swallowed their pride and dignity to cast their vote for Nationalism just because they didn't want an "evil" Democrat in office. They sided with white nationalism and embraced the hate they have been fed.

we are locking up soldiers for having photos on their phone. simply having it outside of the umbrella of government control is a crime.

the media is still pushing the hate, it isn't one sided. doesn't matter if one side "deserves" it. its divisive and that is the point. neither side wants us to agree with the other. neither side wants us to realize we have far more in common and that the "other" isn't that different from "us". makes governing so much easier.

 

[Mick]

Not even the same ball park. Taking picture inside a nuclear sub with your phone when not authorized and without clearance is not on the same level as sending a classified email to an authorized recipient. Groping >= molestation.

 

[LouderVol]

Not even the same ball park. Taking picture inside a nuclear sub with your phone when not authorized and without clearance is not on the same level as sending a classified email to an authorized recipient. Groping >= molestation.

Secretary of State >>>>>>>>>>>> soldier

and also many of those emails we have were classified and sent out to people who didn't have clearance.

anyway we are getting far away from the subject at hand.

If Trump is guilty lock him up, Hillary got to walk but doesn't mean Trump should.

 

[Mick]

Secretary of State >>>>>>>>>>>> soldier

and also many of those emails we have were classified and sent out to people who didn't have clearance.

anyway we are getting far away from the subject at hand.

If Trump is guilty lock him up, Hillary got to walk but doesn't mean Trump should.

BS What unauthorized person received a classified email from HC?
In the end, Comey, a deputy attorney general under President George W. Bush, said Clinton’s careless conduct fell short of a crime because there was no evidence of “clearly intentional and willful mishandling” of classified information and no sign of “disloyalty” or an effort to “obstruct justice.”

You are just pissed that they didn't find any evidence and want to keep going. In the TrumPutinGate II thread there are 2 indictment, one maybe 2 witnesses cooperating with Muller, Son and Son-in-law facing intense scrutiny, and investigating Trump and Sessions for Obstruction.

There is no comparison between the Benghaziemailpizzagate and TrumPutinGate. One is a partisan hack job and the other is a Real Serious attack on our democracy and National Security.

Im fine with letting you stay concerned with HC emails but don't come in here trying to treat these as equal.