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#17,176
McDad said:
If yall nominate another dud, it will not be a foregone conclusion Trump loses.
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I agree. I'm saying that we definitely nominated a dud in 2016 and I don't think most people on this forum realize how close that election was. Most people here think it was a landslide victory for Trump. Check out his approval ratings in those 3 states right now. There is no way he is winning Michigan or Wisconsin again. Pennsylvania might be close. The Democrat will need to turn out the vote big time in Philly but that is usually not a problem. It was for Hillary.
 
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#17,177
BowlBrother85 said:
No, I don't. I just understand how close the 2016 election was and how few votes that the Democrats will actually need to flip in 2020. Most of the uninformed people on this forum believe the Trump spin that he won a landslide but in reality, he won the 2016 election by 104,000 votes spread across 3 swing states:

Pennsylvania - Trump won by 68,000
Michigan - Trump won by 12,000
Wisconsin - Trump won by 24,000

If you take those 3 states away from Trump and give them to Hillary, she wins. It's not the "average voter" the Democrats need to reach. They just need to appeal to a small percentage of Independents who didn't turn out in 2016 for Clinton.
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Maybe Hillary should have bothered to campaign there?
 
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#17,178
BowlBrother85 said:
I agree. I'm saying that we definitely nominated a dud in 2016 and I don't think most people on this forum realize how close that election was. Most people here think it was a landslide victory for Trump. Check out his approval ratings in those 3 states right now. There is no way he is winning Michigan or Wisconsin again. Pennsylvania might be close. The Democrat will need to turn out the vote big time in Philly but that is usually not a problem. It was for Hillary.
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Easy to turn out the Philly vote. Hell, more people show up to vote in some precincts that live there. If you don't think you can raise the dead, go to a Philly polling location on election day.
 
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#17,179
BowlBrother85 said:
I'm not sure conservatives realize how toxic Trump's lack of ethics are. There will be a day of reckoning for all that has gone unchallenged here by Republicans. All of the dishonest and self serving members of both his campaign and administration which now includes four convicted felons (Manafort, Cohen, Flynn and Papadopolous) as well as unethical cabinet members (Pruitt, Zinke, Ross and Tom Price) and the just plain unqualified (DeVos). The complete lack of self awareness which just makes it all such a farce ... "We hire the best people." - Donald Trump.
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Save the lecture for somebody who didn't live through the Clinton years in the 90s.
 
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TennTom said:
It cost her the election. Anyway, she lost by 100K votes in those 3 states with a voter pool of 20 million. That's very easy to flip those 3 states with Trump's approval rating there.
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Sounds like a major dumbass of a candidate! Guess we’re fortunate she didn’t win!
 
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#17,185
GAVol said:
Save the lecture for somebody who didn't live through the Clinton years in the 90s.
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Speaking in terms of the campaigns and administration as a whole, Trump's team has much more in common with the Nixon years (4 felons and Scott Pruitt). And 1976 did see a blue wave - big time.
 
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#17,187
TennTom said:
It cost her the election. Anyway, she lost by 100K votes in those 3 states with a voter pool of 20 million. That's very easy to flip those 3 states with Trump's approval rating there.
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Really depends on who y’all nominate.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Check the electoral college map results of every Presidential election since 1992 and tell me if I was right or wrong about those 3 states normally going to the Democratic candidate.
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I just checked out the electoral map for 2106 and still shows Trump won, that’s all I care about right now
 
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#17,193
BowlBrother85 said:
Speaking in terms of the campaigns and administration as a whole, Trump's team has much more in common with the Nixon years (4 felons and Scott Pruitt). And 1976 did see a blue wave - big time.
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The problem in 76 was the Nixon pardon and the fact that Ford wasn't a particularly dynamic figure at the top of the ticket. Any dynamic that produces a Jimmy Carter Presidency is a once in a lifetime event.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
No, I don't. I just understand how close the 2016 election was and how few votes that the Democrats will actually need to flip in 2020. Most of the uninformed people on this forum believe the Trump spin that he won a landslide but in reality, he won the 2016 election by 104,000 votes spread across 3 swing states:

Pennsylvania - Trump won by 68,000
Michigan - Trump won by 12,000
Wisconsin - Trump won by 24,000

If you take those 3 states away from Trump and give them to Hillary, she wins. It's not the "average voter" the Democrats need to reach. They just need to appeal to a small percentage of Independents who didn't turn out in 2016 for Clinton.
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I think it will be close if the Democrats run someone moderate and out of the norm. If they trot out the same old same old Trump wins on the economy
 
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