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Mick said:
Forgetting about Gates and Flynn?
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One day Flynn is great because he worked for barry, then he is a snake because he endorses and works for Trump and now he is a hero again because you hope he tells slimy Mueller something. Its very difficult to keep up with who you all worship on a daily basis
 
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volfanjustin said:
One day Flynn is great because he worked for barry, then he is a snake because he endorses and works for Trump and now he is a hero again because you hope he tells slimy Mueller something. Its very difficult to keep up with who you all worship on a daily basis
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It shouldn't be that hard. If they are doing their civic duty and helping to bring down trump, then they are on the good side, at least temporarily.
 
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Fact check: True

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luthervol said:
It shouldn't be that hard. If they are doing their civic duty and helping to bring down trump, then they are on the good side, at least temporarily.
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At the end of it all that's all you far left lunatics care about. It's a very scary precedent you all want to set, but I sure hope you all remember your side set it, I can assure you 2 things: If he is brought down there will be consequences beyond your imagination and that same low standard will some day be set for a president elected from you side
 
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volfanjustin said:
When Cohen is your star witness, you may have issues
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Let not act like the FBI didn’t read his home, storage unit, 2 offices and condo. The filings state that the documentation they recovered backs up Cohen’s testimony that he gave to both SDNY and the Special Counsel’s office.
 
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volfanjustin said:
One day Flynn is great because he worked for barry, then he is a snake because he endorses and works for Trump and now he is a hero again because you hope he tells slimy Mueller something. Its very difficult to keep up with who you all worship on a daily basis
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Flynn was under investigation the entire time he was DIA Director by the Inspector General from both DoD and the Army. That why he was fired.
 
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Opinion:
President Donald Trump is out of options, according to Richard Painter, the former chief ethics attorney for President George W. Bush.
“It’s quite clear his goose is cooked here,” he said Wednesday on MSNBC.
Painter added that Cohen’s crimes don’t even include any allegations related to Russia, currently the subject of special counsel Robert Mueller investigation.
He said Trump has just one way out to protect himself and his family: a comprehensive plea deal to federal and state charges in exchange for his resignation.
“Donald Trump is in serious trouble. His lawyers ought to be telling him to negotiate a plea deal,” Painter said. “Get him out of the White House. Have him resign, plead guilty to lower charges and let’s move on as a country.”

Former Bush Ethics Attorney Richard Painter Says There's Only 1 Way Out For Trump Now | HuffPost
 
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Mick said:
Opinion:
President Donald Trump is out of options, according to Richard Painter, the former chief ethics attorney for President George W. Bush.
“It’s quite clear his goose is cooked here,” he said Wednesday on MSNBC.
Painter added that Cohen’s crimes don’t even include any allegations related to Russia, currently the subject of special counsel Robert Mueller investigation.
He said Trump has just one way out to protect himself and his family: a comprehensive plea deal to federal and state charges in exchange for his resignation.
“Donald Trump is in serious trouble. His lawyers ought to be telling him to negotiate a plea deal,” Painter said. “Get him out of the White House. Have him resign, plead guilty to lower charges and let’s move on as a country.”

Former Bush Ethics Attorney Richard Painter Says There's Only 1 Way Out For Trump Now | HuffPost
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Great. So the mashalls will be there today to arrest him?
 
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RockyTop85 said:
I don’t know the United States Code like I do the Tennessee Code. I don’t think it’s reasonable to assume Cohen’s lawyers would plead him to that charge if it weren’t a crime, unless there is something worse out there that I don’t know about. Totally possible with that sleaze ball.

Even if the lawyer is willing to do it, a judge absolutely has the power to decline a plea agreement. One situation where that could come up is where the judge hears the factual basis and does not believe it to be a crime. At a guilty plea hearing, a judge has to find the defendant guilty.

In federal court, the judge also sentences the defendant as we saw today. There’s generally not an agreement as to punishment although both sides generally know what to expect and there may be an agreement to file the filing that they made in Flynn’s case asking for a downward departure, but that’s rare, here. There are guidelines for the sentence, but in a case like this, the judge is probably not bound by them.

Tl;dr: A plea is streamlined in that the parties have agreed to what the facts are, but the judge still has to agree that the facts constitute a crime. The judge also didn’t give Cohen probation and his sentence while not impressively long was not lenient.
This judge and this prosecutor and cohen’s attorneys are surely more informed about the specific facts of this case than somebody who went on TV and said it wasn’t a crime.

There is a theoretical aspect to the law that would explain the discrepency. For instance, in some states, if 2 men go to commit a robbery and one of them gets killed, the other is liable for felony murder. In Tennessee there is a case that says that’s not Tennessee’s theory of felony murder. But that case is old and in 1989 TN rewrote the criminal statutes. To my knowledge, there hasn’t been a case to relitigate the issue. A zealous prosecutor could bring a case on those facts, though, and I would feel confident enough to go on TV and say I don’t think it’s a crime.

I certainly wouldn’t advise my client to plead guilty to such a dubious charge, Unless I didn’t believe in the argument that it wasn’t a crime, or there was a good basis to believe something worse would happen to the client if he didn’t plead. Typically, that would mean a different charge, the way the federal system is set up with the discretionary sentencing. As I said, that’s believable with Cohen, but he still has to be guilty of something for this scenario to make sense so still not a witch hunt as to him.

All of that assumes assumes that the prosecutor is crooked enough to allow such a thing which, with respect to Mueller, is still a Fox News Fairy Tale. There’s no proof to suggest that he is corrupt.

In my mind, the biggest remaining question is whether anything can be proven as to the president that merits impeachment. Personally, I want him impeached and would toss him out if the Oval for conspiracy to break the speed limit. Being objective, though, I don’t think campaign finance violations gets it done. As much as it’s been lampooned, Rand Paul has the correct measure of that. I would favor impeachment if collusion or obstruction can be proven and (again, biased) there’s not a doubt in my mind that he intended to obstruct justice by firing Comey.

With respect to collusion, I think the attempt matters more than whether it changed the results of the election. I don’t think the latter has a snowballs chance in hell of being proven.

Just my candid opinions on it.
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Have you ever seen or even heard of a judge rejecting a guilty plea because he didn't agree with the charges? Also the specific charges are crimes, the prosecutor is wrong in his interpretation of the statutes he charged Cohen on as far as the campaign finance charges. Multiple "legal scholars" have pointed this out including the guy who used to run the FEC. My guess is that they have him dead to rights on some very serious charges unrelated to Trump or the campaign but agreed not to pursue those in exchange for his plea. You as a lawyer know that you would take that deal to save your client years behind bars.

There is plenty of proof to suggest The Muell is corrupt, just look back at the Whitey Bulger case.

This is a witch hunt.
 
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lawgator1 said:
He will be given a chance at a merciful end to the debacle that is his presidency. For the good of the country. Up to him whether he takes it.
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Great. When is the deadline. Y’all need to **** or get off the pot. We have things that need addressing in our country and you are distracting from it.
Let’s get this done.
 
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volfanjustin said:
At the end of it all that's all you far left lunatics care about. It's a very scary precedent you all want to set, but I sure hope you all remember your side set it, I can assure you 2 things: If he is brought down there will be consequences beyond your imagination and that same low standard will some day be set for a president elected from you side
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lol...You guys did it with Clinton.....
Take a couple of deep breaths, the only way he will be removed from office with a republican controlled senate is if he so obviously guilty that only the looniest redhats can defend his actions.
 
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You liberals act like you truly care that he may have made a payment to a whore BEFORE he was President. The Russian collusion was always garbage and you probably secretly knew it even if you didn't say it when having conversations with your fellow socialist friends. Collusion is not illegal and still not even sure what it even means. But then because the President fired crooked Comey which he is allowed to do then it was obstruction which also is a hoax. Now we are down to him using his own money, before he was President, which he has likely done many times in his life to silence women. Witch hunt and desperation by the liberal left.
 
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Obsessed said:
Great. When is the deadline. Y’all need to **** or get off the pot. We have things that need addressing in our country and you are distracting from it.
Let’s get this done.
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Like getting Mexico to pay for a wall that only dipturds like yourself want?
 
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luthervol said:
lol...You guys did it with Clinton.....
Take a couple of deep breaths, the only way he will be removed from office with a republican controlled senate is if he so obviously guilty that only the looniest redhats can defend his actions.
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Who are "you guys"? I was 10-18 years old when he was President
 
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Obsessed said:
Great. When is the deadline. Y’all need to **** or get off the pot. We have things that need addressing in our country and you are distracting from it.
Let’s get this done.
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......Starr investigation......6 years.......ring a bell?
 
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