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Grand Vol said:
I know. Kind of like that person who has the entire primary election rigged in their favor, almost the entire media in her back pocket, scandal after scandal after scandal ignored or marginalized and still manages to lose the White House.

Sometimes karma is quite pleasant.
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I have a feeling that karma is not yet done entertaining.
 
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volfanjustin said:
Just like when most of the liberals here were saying it was no big deal when Hillary's aides got immunity to testify
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In and of itself, the grant of immunity means nothing. I agree you cannot infer that it means there was wrongdoing. Any competent criminal defense lawyer would demand the same thing.

The quirk here is that Flynn got fired. His lawyer says he wants to tell his story. Presumably, Flynn feels scapegoated.

Interestingly, Trump said today that Flynn was a victim of a witch hunt over the Russian issue. My suspicion is that Flynn will say exactly that. Now, of course he's going to deny being a go-between as to Russia and the Trump campaign. I think the big question is, what will he have to say about other people?
 
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Grand Vol said:
I know. Kind of like that person who has the entire primary election rigged in their favor, almost the entire media in her back pocket, scandal after scandal after scandal ignored or marginalized and still manages to lose the White House.

Sometimes karma is quite pleasant.
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She was a terrible candidate.

When she was one on one with reporters in sit down situations, she was terrific. Calm, cool, collected, smart, and natural in demeanor (as much as any politician can be). But when she was in front of a crowd, or any sort of campaign appearance, she came across as stilted, calculating her every move. Terribly insincere.

I doubt Sanders could have won the general. Too radical. Biden would have won in a landslide. A lot of relatively centrist Dems would have.
 
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lawgator1 said:
She was a terrible candidate.

When she was one on one with reporters in sit down situations, she was terrific. Calm, cool, collected, smart, and natural in demeanor (as much as any politician can be). But when she was in front of a crowd, or any sort of campaign appearance, she came across as stilted, calculating her every move. Terribly insincere.

I doubt Sanders could have won the general. Too radical. Biden would have won in a landslide. A lot of relatively centrist Dems would have.
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Jim Webb would have won in a landslide. He'd have been the first Democrat I would have ever cast a vote for.
 
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lawgator1 said:
In and of itself, the grant of immunity means nothing. I agree you cannot infer that it means there was wrongdoing. Any competent criminal defense lawyer would demand the same thing.

The quirk here is that Flynn got fired. His lawyer says he wants to tell his story. Presumably, Flynn feels scapegoated.

Interestingly, Trump said today that Flynn was a victim of a witch hunt over the Russian issue. My suspicion is that Flynn will say exactly that. Now, of course he's going to deny being a go-between as to Russia and the Trump campaign. I think the big question is, what will he have to say about other people?
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His lawyers statement yesterday basically said the same thing and that was before Trump's tweet so that to me was assuring there was nothing against the President
 
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hog88 said:
Jim Webb would have won in a landslide. He'd have been the first Democrat I would have ever cast a vote for.
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That type of candidate will never ever get the nomination. Bill Clinton or JFK would not get the nomination in the current state of the democrat primary voters
 
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Whether Tillerson is speaking for Trump (or anyone) is an open question.

That said, as some of us have stated, the bigger issue with players on Team Trump is financial ties, rather than American policy to Ukraine.
 
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lawgator1 said:
They've been caught with their hand in the cookie jar. If he or the administration said otherwise, it would be too easy for critics to argue it proves the suspicions.
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Lift sanctions- see he is a secretet Russian agent

Doesn't lift sanctions-covering for being a secret Russian agent.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Oh, VV. You make me chuckle sometimes.
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Many have the view that the standard for if Russia meddled in the U.S. election is: "Where any votes literally hacked/altered on Election Day?"

If that's the what rigging means, I didn't see any of that in the primaries.
 
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lawgator1 said:
She was a terrible candidate.

When she was one on one with reporters in sit down situations, she was terrific. Calm, cool, collected, smart, and natural in demeanor (as much as any politician can be). But when she was in front of a crowd, or any sort of campaign appearance, she came across as stilted, calculating her every move. Terribly insincere.

I doubt Sanders could have won the general. Too radical. Biden would have won in a landslide. A lot of relatively centrist Dems would have.
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Yep, she was. But I have this feeling the DNC is going to slide further left and lose again before they "right" themselves towards the center. Until they can quiet the extreme social justice and militant crowd, they will continue to turn off voters.

I'll happily watch the DNC implode if they nominate someone like Warren the next go around.
 
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Velo Vol said:
Many have the view that the standard for if Russia meddled in the U.S. election is: "Where any votes literally hacked/altered on Election Day?"

If that's the what rigging means, I didn't see any of that in the primaries.
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That's not what I meant...

Rigging as in the DNC had their candidate picked out all the way back in 2012 practically. And did everything within their power to make sure Hillary got the nomination regardless of what the base wanted.
 
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lawgator1 said:
They've been caught with their hand in the cookie jar. If he or the administration said otherwise, it would be too easy for critics to argue it proves the suspicions.
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So the left's plan is working. Tie the administration up in faux scandal to handicap them.
 
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Mick said:
Getting caught changes things.
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Getting caught? What are you talking about? There have been investigations going on for 9 months about this and it hasn't turned up a single shred of proof. Yet, in your leftist fantasy land, he got caught? In the real world, it suggests the opposite.
 
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hog88 said:
So the left's plan is working. Tie the administration up in faux scandal to handicap them.
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Yep, drum up fake scandal, release the hysterical media hounds, rehash it over and over until people start thinking it's true, hold over the head over political adversary.
 
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volfanjustin said:
Lift sanctions- see he is a secretet Russian agent

Doesn't lift sanctions-covering for being a secret Russian agent.
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There are multiple dimensions to this.

Rarely do corporate lobbyists explicitly say, "I'll give you a donation if you vote for X", and yet funny how many times it works out that way.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Rigging as in the DNC had their candidate picked out all the way back in 2012 practically. And did everything within their power to make sure Hillary got the nomination regardless of what the base wanted.
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As I saw it, the effective "rigging" was how the Clintons managed to lock down money early on, not anything to do with the DNC primary process.
 
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