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Grand Vol said:
Yep, she was. But I have this feeling the DNC is going to slide further left and lose again before they "right" themselves towards the center. Until they can quiet the extreme social justice and militant crowd, they will continue to turn off voters.

I'll happily watch the DNC implode if they nominate someone like Warren the next go around.
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The issue was not Clinton being too far left. If anything, her more right-leaning views on things like use of the military and foreign policy were off-putting to the left wing of the party. Cost her their enthusiasm and probably caused many just not to bother showing up.

While after a loss its the extreme that shows up in the early going, the fact is that the moderate power brokers of the Dem party have a much firmer grasp on its party than the GOP establishment has on its extremes.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The issue was not Clinton being too far left. If anything, her more right-leaning views on things like use of the military and foreign policy were off-putting to the left wing of the party. Cost her their enthusiasm and probably caused many just not to bother showing up.

While after a loss its the extreme that shows up in the early going, the fact is that the moderate power brokers of the Dem party have a much firmer grasp on its party than the GOP establishment has on its extremes.
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No, I wasn't implying Clinton was too far left at all. Kind of. Bernie forced her into that zone a few times, but by and large, she was closer to being a "centrist" than he was.

However, she was just plain unlikable as you mentioned.
 
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golfballs said:
Getting caught? What are you talking about? There have been investigations going on for 9 months about this and it hasn't turned up a single shred of proof. Yet, in your leftist fantasy land, he got caught? In the real world, it suggests the opposite.
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Russia got caught interfering with our elections which is why the investigations continue. So yes Russia got caught.
 
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Grand Vol said:
No, I wasn't implying Clinton was too far left at all. Kind of. Bernie forced her into that zone a few times, but by and large, she was closer to being a "centrist" than he was.

However, she was just plain unlikable as you mentioned.
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Yup.

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hog88 said:
So the left's plan is working. Tie the administration up in faux scandal to handicap them.
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Is that what you really believe Hog? That the FBI, CIA, NSA, The US House, The US Senate and the media all got together and fabricated this?


(I really should insert about a half dozen of those laughing emojis here, but I won't.)
 
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MT LeConte said:
Is that what you really believe Hog? That the FBI, CIA, NSA, The US House, The US Senate and the media all got together and fabricated this?


(I really should insert about a half dozen of those laughing emojis here, but I won't.)
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We don't know how robust or what all is involved in the FBI investigation now do we? If the CIA and NSA are investigating the allegations then there are some people who need to be locked up for violating several federal laws.

Now addressing the house and Senate, oh hell yes.
 
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golfballs said:
Where's the proof that Trump colluded with them?
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Didn't say there were evidence know to the public that would say Trump is guilty of colluding, just russia guilt of interfering with the election. The investigation continues for the Trump campaign.
 
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MT LeConte said:
Is that what you really believe Hog? That the FBI, CIA, NSA, The US House, The US Senate and the media all got together and fabricated this?


(I really should insert about a half dozen of those laughing emojis here, but I won't.)
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I take the view that whatever the above alphabet agencies say, the opposite is true. This view is extended to all republican and democrat politicians, pundits on all cable shows, newspapers, and network broadcasts.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Help me get caught up. I don't understand. What does the left have with the Russian claims? What wrong doing has occurred?
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If Clinton had been calling for Wikileaks to release internal emails of the GOP, hacked by the Russians, and Clinton campaign staff holding meetings with Russian spies, and she won, you'd be apoplectic. The entire right wing media machine, from Breitbart to Fox, to all their blogs, would be demanding she be impeached, and the House would oblige.

You know I'm right.
 
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Mick said:
Didn't say there were evidence know to the public that would say Trump is guilty of colluding, just russia guilt of interfering with the election. The investigation continues for the Trump campaign.
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So.... no proof. At least not "public". And at the very least evidence of Russia trying to "interfere" which somehow implicates Trump as a Russian pawn?
 
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golfballs said:
So.... no proof. At least not "public". And at the very least evidence of Russia trying to "interfere" which somehow implicates Trump as a Russian pawn?
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I think you are the Russian pawn trying to say nothing to see here when it comes to possible ties between Russians and the Trump campaign.
 
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