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Velo Vol said:
Interfere in what manner?
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Depends on the country you're talking about. The CIA staged riots, funded civil wars, killed foreign leaders, spied on sovereign governments and US citizens, sold narcotics. I'm not certain there's a crime the CIA hasn't committed
 
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OuterBanksVol said:
I have yet to see any definitive evidence that The Donald has knowingly and willfully engaged in money laundering. It's a sticky crime given the need for a third-party intermediary.

That's not to say that there aren't smoking guns all around. There are. But most of the evidence I see is based on guilt by association.

Yes, Donald has lied and twisted the truth that his business has relied on Russian money - especially after the 2008 financial melt-down.

Yes, there's Manafort in particular who clearly was up to his eyeballs in helping Putin.

Yes, Cypress banks, oligarchs buying his properties, the Donald's love of all things Putin, etc., but...

No, there is really only speculation at this point IMO as to whether The Donald is an international money launderer.

Ask yourself this: If The Donald were working with oligarchs illegally, wouldn't Putin and co. be holding the proverbial Sword of Damocles over his head? And wouldn't our intelligence agencies have already sniffed up at least a shred of chatter within their network? Hasn't happened to my knowledge.

Look, I think Donald is a dirtbag, and that he'd sell his Mom to the Barker next to the Tilt-o-Whirl for a stuffed animal, but I do not think our President is a money launderer.
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Okay.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Depends on the country you're talking about. The CIA staged riots, funded civil wars, killed foreign leaders, spied on sovereign governments and US citizens, sold narcotics. I'm not certain there's a crime the CIA hasn't committed
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There's a bunch of other threads on that.
 
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You ever look at Trump and wonder if he's all there?

Like this tweet--he could just call the FBI and find out what's going on. But no, he sits there watching Fox News and tweets.

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Velo Vol said:
You ever look at Trump and wonder if he's all there?

Like this tweet--he could just call the FBI and find out what's going on. But no, he sits there watching Fox News and tweets.

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Same can be said of most people propagating the conspiracies this thread.

But cmon, he's clearly trying to drum up public attention. Media shills are content to sweep the surveillance stuff under the rug.
 
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Velo Vol said:
You ever look at Trump and wonder if he's all there?

Like this tweet--he could just call the FBI and find out what's going on. But no, he sits there watching Fox News and tweets.

ZYBGa5w2
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How do they have recorded phone calls made from trump tower if there was no surveillance?
 
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Vol8188 said:
How do they have recorded phone calls made from trump tower if there was no surveillance?
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If Someone in Trump Tower contacts a foreign intel asset that is being monitored by U.S. Intelligence that persons communication will also be swept up.
 
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carlos86 said:
If Someone in Trump Tower contacts a foreign intel asset that is being monitored by U.S. Intelligence that persons communication will also be swept up.
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That's not true actually. Legally they're supposed to turn off recording devices when the US citizen is speaking unless they have a warrant
 
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Obsessed said:
And it's illegal.
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If there is incidental collection of information by or about an American, that information is usually blacked out in any intelligence report that is generated. However, the American's name and what he or she said, or what was said about him or her, can be "unmasked" if there is evidence of a crime, or if the information is needed to understand the foreign intelligence.
 
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Two NSA agents talking.

Agent 1: Guess who just got on the phone?

Agent 2: Who?

Agent 1: Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi

Agent 2: Whoa, he never uses his cell phone.

Agent 1: I know. It sounds like he's trying to recruit someone for an attack.

Agent 2: Hang up the phone!! We can't listen to this--he's talking to an American!!
 
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Next day.

Boss: The White House wants to know if you guys have heard anything interesting this week.

Agent 1: Yeah, we heard ISIS is recruiting someone to attack Times Square.

Boss: Oh, who?

Agent 2: We can't say, it's an American.

Boss: OK, never mind.
 
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