TSA Scanning and Pat Downs

#102
#102
Man Proves TSA Policies Are Unconstitutional

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
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I find it unreasonable.
 
#103
#103
no one is forcing you to fly. and you know you will be searched going in. therefore it's not unconstitutional.
 
#105
#105
I'm not uncomfortable with it. But I think if I had kids, that stance would change a little. I also have an issue more so with the people overseeing it, more so than I would a doctor. Now these aren't huge issues, but in comparison to the benefits, I don't see the need.
 
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#106
myrobbins7 said:
Hrmm, why does this come to mind? "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
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Yes, this quote is applicable.

Airport body-scan radiation under scrutiny - CNN.com

...the risk to an individual is "very small indeed" for a single scan. He said he is most concerned about frequent fliers, pilots and young people, because children are more sensitive to radiation.

The probability of dying from radiation from a body scanner and that of being killed in a terror attack are roughly the same, he said. About one in 30 million.

So why are we spending all this money to harass the general public?


droski said:
TSA aims to ease worries about pat-downs, full-body scans - latimes.com

In terms of radiation exposure, the energy is thousands of times less than that of a cellphone transmission, federal officials said.
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#107
#107
according to the guy that made these things the radiation is the same as eating a banana. so look out if you eat a banana for breakfast every day.
 
#108
#108
And for years cigarette companies claimed their products didn't cause cancer. Even had scientists backing their claims.
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#109
#109
hardly comparable. you are just being paranoid. for years they told us a lot of crap caused cancer which actually didn't.
 
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droski said:
according to the guy that made these things the radiation is the same as eating a banana. so look out if you eat a banana for breakfast every day.
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and yet they haven't allowed any independent company to do their own radiation tests so far... although hopefully soon.
 
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droski said:
hardly comparable. you are just being paranoid. for years they told us a lot of crap caused cancer which actually didn't.
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I'd say a healthy level of skepticism, I'm not sitting around with a tinfoil hat on my head.

To an early point you made that no one is forcing me to fly, that's true, to a point. However, for my line of work, I have to fly to make a living and I have no other options to get from the east coast to the west coast quickly. The "contract" for me to fly has changed and I don't particularly like it. I think it is invasive and I'm not sure what they actually think this will prevent.

We aren't going to convince each other to change our point of view.
 
#112
#112
All I know is that I'm going to schedule all my future flights around my wife's aunt flow visits.

Man's gotta find love somehow, doesn't he?
 
#113
#113
Exclusive: TSA frisks groom children to cooperate with sex predators, abuse expert says | Raw Story

An expert in the fight against child sexual abuse is raising the alarm about a technique the TSA is reportedly using to get children to co-operate with airport pat-downs: calling it a "game".

Ken Wooden, founder of Child Lures Prevention, says the TSA's recommendation that children be told the pat-down is a "game" is potentially putting children in danger.

Telling a child that they are engaging in a game is "one of the most common ways" that sexual predators use to convince children to engage in inappropriate contact, Wooden told Raw Story.

Children "don't have the sophistication" to distinguish between a pat-down carried out by an airport security officer and an assault by a sexual predator, he said.

The TSA policy could "desensitize children to inappropriate touch and ultimately make it easier for sexual offenders to prey on our children," Wooden added.

Following an outcry last month over the use on children of "enhanced pat-downs" -- which involve the touching of genitals -- the TSA announced a new "modified" pat-down for children under 12. However, as the LA Times noted, the new rules are "unclear" on whether TSA agents can touch children's genitals.

Addressing the controversy over pat-downs of children last month, TSA regional security director James Marchand told the press the TSA was working on new practices to make children more comfortable during the pat-down process.

"You try to make it as best you can for that child to come through. If you can come up with some kind of a game to play with a child, it makes it a lot easier," said Marchand, promising to make it part of TSA training.

tsapatdown2 Exclusive: TSA frisks groom children to cooperate with sex predators, abuse expert saysWooden, who has testified before Congress on child safety issues on numerous occasions, says he was told by a TSA agent that the practice has been used.

"How can experts working at the TSA be so incredibly misinformed and misguided to suggest that full body pat downs for children be portrayed as a game?" Wooden asked in an email. "To do so is completely contrary to what we in the sexual abuse prevention field have been trying to accomplish for the past thirty years."

He added: "This policy is also incredibly insensitive to the countless victims who have already been traumatized by unwanted touching in their lives and could be re-traumatized by such pat-downs."

On Tuesday, TSA administrator John Pistole said the agency may change its screening rules for victims of sex abuse. He also said the TSA had no plans to continue expanding the airport screening process.

"I think we are at the most thorough that we will probably be in terms of our physical screening," he announced.
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