Turkey: Our NATO Ally

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Rasputin_Vol said:
Not arguing that point. Go back and look at the post you just responded to.

I recognize the military significance of the Golan Heights. And for Israel to return the Sinai to Egypt was a tremendous concession. But having said that, the tactics used in 1947-48 at the start of the all this and situations like the USS Liberty does show that the Israelis are cunning and manipulative and leads most to question some of their actions... or if they were really provoking situations as opposed to just defending themselves.
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Are you saying the tactics used in the sneak attack by the Arab League during the Yom Kippur War were okay?
 
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Grand Vol said:
I'm sure you have proof of this great Zionist plot...
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This is pretty much common knowledge , not conspiracy theory. The Likud Party seems to be infested with this ideology.

I'm not sure why you are trying to be combative on this issue. I'm just saying that Israel isn't totally innocent in all of this.
 
#528
#528
Grand Vol said:
Are you saying the tactics used in the sneak attack by the Arab League during the Yom Kippur War were okay?
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Why are you putting words in my mouth? I never brought up Yom Kippur War.

Look, both sides have blood on their hands and have done things detrimental to their cause.

You point to the Yom Kippur War and they will point to the terrorism and uprooting of families in 1947-48.
 
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#529
After the 6 day war when all the Arab neighbors, including Egypt, mounted a sneak attack and tried to wipe Israel and all the jews off the map...all bets are off and anything Israel does to protect its borders, it's citizens, and its sovereignty are above questioning by outsiders.

If Canada, Mexico, Cuba etc all simultaneously mounted a sneak attack they coordinated..and we beat the hell out of all of them...which Israel did, because the God of Isaac and Jacob watches over them...do you think we would give a rats was what any of those countries, much less other countries halfway around the world, thought about our defense program or the territory we hold?????

I remind you also that Israel is a nuclear state. They can glass the desert of anyone around them, anytime they want...and there is nothing their neighbors can do about it.

I love the way Israel takes the gloves off. Wish we fought to win like they do...Viet nam would have been a success. They drop pamphlets for 3 days telling everyone who ismt a terrorist to get the heck out...then send fighters and bombers downtown over t he towers and level everything standing and knock out every military installation. Get out or die. That sends a message...back the hell off
Mess with the bull and get the horns. If we did that there wouldnt have been a sep11th...if those Saudis knew we would level their pissant country in retaliation. Limp wrists and leftist ideology have made us weak.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
anything Israel does to protect its borders, it's citizens, and its sovereignty are above questioning by outsiders.
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USS Liberty?

marcusluvsvols said:
I remind you also that Israel is a nuclear state.
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Wait, what? This is breaking news...

marcusluvsvols said:
love the way Israel takes the gloves off. Wish we fought to win like they do...Viet nam would have been a success.
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Well, we never should have been in Vietnam to begin with.

marcusluvsvols said:
If we did that there wouldnt have been a sep11th...if those Saudis knew we would level their pissant country in retaliation. Limp wrists and leftist ideology have made us weak.
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The Saudis should have been the first ones we bombed after 9/11... not Afghanistan. 15 of the hijackers and Osama bin Laden were all Saudi nationals.
 
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#531
Pacer92 said:
I've brought this point numerous times...

Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, Yemem, Iran....and don't forget Palestine...

Israel is behind all of them...
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no, no, no. this is about Palestine, and why they are more valid than Israel. I asked you to give me something that would actually argue the point.

A map/timeline.
A break down of their culture that separates them from others.
heck even some link that doesn't operate under the pure assumption of a zionist conspiracy.
 
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LouderVol said:
no, no, no. this is about Palestine, and why they are more valid than Israel. I asked you to give me something that would actually argue the point.

A map/timeline.
A break down of their culture that separates them from others.
heck even some link that doesn't operate under the pure assumption of a zionist conspiracy.
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I'd like to see the historical data on the nation of Palestine fighting against Jordan (or Transjordan if you go back that far) for "independence."

Prior to 1967, wasn't the so called Palestinian territory under Jordanian control?
 
#533
#533
Pacer92 said:
Jews don't believe Jesus is the Messiah...

Said this before...

Turning a blind eye to Israel and their genicide isn't Christian...regardless of your stance...
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so we should turn a blind eye to the genocide OF the jews then?

The arabs would still be fighting each other, even with no Israel. just like our politicians , you are so caught up in which side you are on you ignore the bigger picture.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I'd like to see the historical data on the nation of Palestine fighting against Jordan (or Transjordan if you go back that far) for "independence."

Prior to 1967, wasn't the so called Palestinian territory under Jordanian control?
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its selective outrage. he doesn't like that the Jews won.
 
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Pacer92 said:
That has zero to do with this...
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I remember now, you don't like the Bible because of it being a Jewish book. I came to the conclusion that you are an infidel. You sound like a Muslim to me with all the bigotry towards the Jews.
 
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LouderVol said:
so we should turn a blind eye to the genocide OF the jews then?

The arabs would still be fighting each other, even with no Israel. just like our politicians , you are so caught up in which side you are on you ignore the bigger picture.
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This . Persians even hate Arabs. Not that Persia exists..but nobody I have ever met from Iran admits to being from Iran...they tell people they are Persians.

Persians hate Arabs and Arabs hate persians...Sunni Muslims blow up Shiite muslims...Arabs read a book that says kill kill kill. That's all they understand. If they don't want to kill the infidel, they arent true practicing muslims...they are like so called Christians thay went to church once or twice with grandma and think they got a "get out of Hell free" card. I respect the muslims more that are sincere i n their beliefs. They are dead wrong, and so is their belief system, but at least they are sincere. Why half ass it? Believe it or dont. I believe the Bible is God's word, it's greatest commandment is love. Fail at it every single day. Get up tomorrow, ask for forgiveness, and try to do better. I am supposed to even love the muslims who plot our deaths. I haven't made it there yet. Hopefully I will. If not, glad I am a US citizen and for the most part idpmt need to worry about Mohammed al Mohammed al nutsack strapping a bomb to his 10 year old daughter and blowing up my family at Target. Feel sorry for those that do have to worry about it. I can own my sin, and my ideology. Be nice if everyone else would too instead of this PC bullcrap
 
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#537
We shouldn't be involved at all. No money for terrorists, no money for the Israeli Police State. Pull all funding from Israel.

We can not win with meddling, this should be obvious by now. There is no solution in the Middle East. Psychotic religious fools are hell bent on killing each other over archaic opinions. We can't fix insanity.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I could see them going after Nashville since there is a significant Kurdish population there.

However, everywhere else?
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I honestly had no clue about any this. That is quite the network for both sides. I'm not as familiar with Turkish relations/politics, but charter schools involved? Weird.
 
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Turkey's president says Turkish troops involved in an offensive to drive out Syrian Kurdish militiamen from a Syrian enclave will soon begin a siege of the city of Afrin.

Recep Tayyip Erdogan told his ruling party's legislators on Tuesday that the month-long offensive into the northwester enclave of Afrin has so far been progressing slowly.

He says Turkey is not there "to burn and destroy" the enclave but to ensure it becomes a "safe and livable place."

Erdogan said that, however, "in the coming days, the siege of Afrin city center will commence at a more rapid pace."

Turkey launched its offensive to clear Afrin of the Syrian Kurdish militia it considers a "terrorist" organization and an extension to its own outlawed Kurdish rebels fighting within Turkey.

Turkish troops have so far seized border regions encircling Afrin, including strategic hills.

https://www.usnews.com/news/world/a...cef-decries-killings-in-rebel-damascus-suburb
 
#544
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Rasputin_Vol said:
They are trying to straddle the fence between NATO and Russia.
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Turkey wants to chart it's own path. It wants US and NATO funding and the prestige that goes along with it and it wants to avoid angering the Russians right across the pond from them.

I'm all about cutting the strings, pulling our bases and equipment and telling them to eff off.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Turkey wants to chart it's own path. It wants US and NATO funding and the prestige that goes along with it and it wants to avoid angering the Russians right across the pond from them.

I'm all about cutting the strings, pulling our bases and equipment and telling them to eff off.
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It's absolutely what we need to do...but, I don't see it happening...

Erdogan has both us and Russia where he wants us...

Turkey is probably the most valuable position of the whole geopolitical tug of war...
 
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Grand Vol said:
Turkey wants to chart it's own path. It wants US and NATO funding and the prestige that goes along with it and it wants to avoid angering the Russians right across the pond from them.

I'm all about cutting the strings, pulling our bases and equipment and telling them to eff off.
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Time to bail on Turkey. They have no business being in NATO either with Edrogen (spelling) in power.
 
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zeppelin128 said:
Time to bail on Turkey. They have no business being in NATO either with Edrogen (spelling) in power.
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Some won't agree, but we tried to take him out by supporting the coup...

He knows this....and so does Russia, who has been trying to take advantage of it...

Turks have no love for Russia, and now feels betrayed by us and NATO...

Erdogan in between the proverbial "rock and hard place" is scary in ways...
 
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Pacer92 said:
Some won't agree, but we tried to take him out by supporting the coup...

He knows this....and so does Russia, who has been trying to take advantage of it...

Turks have no love for Russia, and now feels betrayed by us and NATO...

Erdogan in between the proverbial "rock and hard place" is scary in ways...
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There wasn’t a coup. That was a show by Erogen to seize more power.
 
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