Turkey: Our NATO Ally

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Turkish President Recep Erdogan said Hamas can't be described as a terror group.

"Hamas is not a terrorist organization, it is a liberation group, 'mujahideen' waging a battle to protect its land and people."
 
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Terrorist groups to one people could be heroes to another. I imagine the British though some of the Patriots in 1776 were terrorists.

Life isn't about right and wrong like modern society has drilled in your heads and made all of you idiotic. It is about US vs. Them.

Islam/Palestine/Turkey is "THEM". They would kill us all in another world where they are on top (or at least force us to accept Islam). We need to fight them because of that. They are not wrong, we are not wrong. We are just different. History/Reality is Us vs. Them.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Our NATO ally...

Israel Outraged After Erdogan Calls Hamas 'Liberators', Cancels Planned Trip To Mend Ties

The most surprising moment came when he said bluntly that "Hamas is not a terror organization" but is a "liberation group" rightfully fighting to protect Palestinian lands. This is raising eyebrows, and alarm no doubt, among Turkey's Western allies. After all, this is the head of state for NATO's second biggest army.
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That's ridiculous, but then he's their Trump, saying what the great unwashed want to hear to get those votes.
 
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EasternVol said:
That's ridiculous, but then he's their Trump, saying what the great unwashed want to hear to get those votes.
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Come on man. Just for a second leave the dumbass out of it. Just let the issue with Turkey stand alone. I don’t even want to get into the things that Joe Biden has done to attain and hold onto power.
 
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sonofUT62 said:
Come on man. Just for a second leave the dumbass out of it. Just let the issue with Turkey stand alone. I don’t even want to get into the things that Joe Biden has done to attain and hold onto power.
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It's a very apt comparison. Erdogan uses the Trump/DeSantis/Kingfish etc. populist playbook to get the masses' support.
Biden's as foul as Trump but he's a different type of politician.
 
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EasternVol said:
It's a very apt comparison. Erdogan uses the Trump/DeSantis/Kingfish etc. populist playbook to get the masses' support.
Biden's as foul as Trump but he's a different type of politician.
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You’re not wrong about any of that. But we don’t have to bring Trump into everything. I keep watching liberal talking head’s criticizing mainstream media for the hospital coverage. “They say this is as bad as Trumps lies”
It’s irrelevant to the discussion and takes away from what’s being discussed
 
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sonofUT62 said:
You’re not wrong about any of that. But we don’t have to bring Trump into everything. I keep watching liberal talking head’s criticizing mainstream media for the hospital coverage. “They say this is as bad as Trumps lies”
It’s irrelevant to the discussion and takes away from what’s being discussed
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Okay then, he's their Huey Long. Happy now?
 
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Vol737 said:
Another shove toward the Brics and away from NATO/EU?

apple.news

Opinion | Erdogan’s Turkey Doesn’t Belong in the EU — The Wall Street Journal

He tried to charm his way in, but it’s obvious he’s an extremist.
apple.news apple.news
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Erdogan is trying to do what Yanukovich was trying to do in 2013. Why choose between one side or the other? Look at where Ukraine and Turkiye are located on a map. It is in their best interests to have good relations with both east and west. The only side that has an issue with this is the west. They want 110% loyalty to them or nothing at all.

This game the west plays is not sustsainable. Instead of isolating countries that want to have good relations with all, the west is antogonizing and isolating itself. Just stupid geopolitics.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Erdogan is trying to to what Yanukovich was trying to do in 2013. Why choose between one side or the other? Look at where Ukraine and Turkiye are located on a map. It is in their best interests to have good relations with both east and west. The only side that has an issue with this is the west. They want 110% loyalty to them or nothing at all.

This game the west plays is not sustsainable. Instead of isolating countries that want to have good relations with all, the west is antogonizing and isolating itself. Just stupid geopolitics.
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Their trade is heavily dominated by the west, because that is where the money is. 7 of the top 10, and all of their top 4 are the West. #5 is Iraq, #9 Israel, #10 Russia, for the "non-west".

www.statista.com

Turkey: leading export partners 2021, by country | Statista

In 2020, the top five export partner countries of Turkey included Germany, the United States, the United Kingdom, Italy, and Iraq.
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Russia really has no one to blame but themselves. Going back to their rivalry with the Ottomans, and even the disputes over the straights into the Black Sea have historically had Russia sticking its nose into Turkish business. The Ottomans had a longer lasting, and older claim to Crimea than even the Russians. All before they joined NATO.

The Russians have actively worked to keep Turkey weak and poor, and Russia's ties in the Middle East and Caucuses can largely be tied to who was the opponent of Turkey. trying to make this some western conspiracy, Nuland's cookie bs is straight up revisionist copium bs.
 
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