Turkey: Our NATO Ally

#551
#551
Pacer92 said:
Some won't agree, but we tried to take him out by supporting the coup...

He knows this....and so does Russia, who has been trying to take advantage of it...

Turks have no love for Russia, and now feels betrayed by us and NATO...

Erdogan in between the proverbial "rock and hard place" is scary in ways...
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He should be removed. Erodgan is threat to Turkish democracy and secularism. Atatürk would be rolling over in his grave if he knew what he has done to Turkey. I don't see it stopping either since he has neutered the Turkish military.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I'm not so sure about that. I thought that at first, but now that entire deal seems a bit muddier.
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I think its 50-50. I think Erodgan used it to solidify power but I also think it was a real attempt but failed because of incompetence on the part of the coup leaders.
 
#554
#554
Pacer92 said:
Some won't agree, but we tried to take him out by supporting the coup...

He knows this....and so does Russia, who has been trying to take advantage of it...

Turks have no love for Russia, and now feels betrayed by us and NATO...

Erdogan in between the proverbial "rock and hard place" is scary in ways...
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We shouldn't have been meddling to begin with, but he is despotic.
 
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#555
Burhead said:
He should be removed. Erodgan is threat to Turkish democracy and secularism. Atatürk would be rolling over in his grave if he knew what he has done to Turkey. I don't see it stopping either since he has neutered the Turkish military.
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Turkish democracy and secularism is dead.
 
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#557
Burhead said:
I think its 50-50. I think Erodgan used it to solidify power but I also think it was a real attempt but failed because of incompetence on the part of the coup leaders.
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It wasn’t a real attempt.
 
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#562
US Weighs Into Mediterranean Tensions With Weapons And Hypocrisy

Twice in the past week, the United States has clumsily weighed into mounting tensions in the East Mediterranean between Greece and Turkey.

  • First, Washington announced last weekend the opening of a maritime security base on the island state of Cyprus, which is allied with Greece.
  • Then the U.S. followed up by formally clearing the way to send weapons to Cyprus, ending a 33-year arms embargo. Washington claims the arms are “non-lethal”, but we have seen that semantic ruse played before with regard to U.S. weaponizing Ukraine and other places. Never mind the hairsplitting, the move is a military involvement whichever way it’s presented.
Both U.S. moves have infuriated Turkey, which lies to the north of Cyprus and which maintains territorial claims over the northern part of the island populated by Turkish-Cypriots. The main part of the island, the Republic of Cyprus, is historically aligned with Greece. Cyprus became divided in 1974 after Turkey invaded following a coup led by the Greek military. The territory has been a source of tensions ever since and a recurring cause for confrontation between Greece and Turkey over competing claims.
 
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#563
Rasputin_Vol said:
US Weighs Into Mediterranean Tensions With Weapons And Hypocrisy

Twice in the past week, the United States has clumsily weighed into mounting tensions in the East Mediterranean between Greece and Turkey.

  • First, Washington announced last weekend the opening of a maritime security base on the island state of Cyprus, which is allied with Greece.
  • Then the U.S. followed up by formally clearing the way to send weapons to Cyprus, ending a 33-year arms embargo. Washington claims the arms are “non-lethal”, but we have seen that semantic ruse played before with regard to U.S. weaponizing Ukraine and other places. Never mind the hairsplitting, the move is a military involvement whichever way it’s presented.
Both U.S. moves have infuriated Turkey, which lies to the north of Cyprus and which maintains territorial claims over the northern part of the island populated by Turkish-Cypriots. The main part of the island, the Republic of Cyprus, is historically aligned with Greece. Cyprus became divided in 1974 after Turkey invaded following a coup led by the Greek military. The territory has been a source of tensions ever since and a recurring cause for confrontation between Greece and Turkey over competing claims.
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I don't know enough about this particular situation to say more, but I do know that continuing to pretend Turkey is our friend is not smart.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Like Saudi Arabia?
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I use a YouTube series called Geography Now to supplement our country lessons...one of the segments is called The Friend Zone which breaks down allies and foes..don't think they are up to Turkey yet though
 
#570
#570
Too much risk sadly. I am a "bring the boys home" kinda guy....but simply cannot let nukes fall into the hands of Muslim countries/terrorists . At any cost.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
Too much risk sadly. I am a "bring the boys home" kinda guy....but simply cannot let nukes fall into the hands of Muslim countries/terrorists . At any cost.
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But The Saudis could potentially get them and that helps you sleep at night? Turkey and Erdogan are off the chain, but The Saudis are a bigger enemy to humanity.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
But The Saudis could potentially get them and that helps you sleep at night? Turkey and Erdogan are off the chain, but The Saudis are a bigger enemy to humanity.
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All majority Muslim countries cannot be trusted with nukes because 10 to 20 percent of those Muslims (depending on where you are) are radical Islamist's, who are basically a homicidal, apocalyptic, death cult. If they get in power in one of these countries that have nukes, no one is safe.
 
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