Turkey: Our NATO Ally

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DonjoVol said:
India has the world's 3rd largest Muslim population. The Muslim population in India is roughly 11% of the world's Muslim population.

From my understanding India is already allies with Bangladesh, which has over a 90% Muslim population.

So taking all that into consideration it isn't far fetched at all that India and Pakistan could become allies.
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If America would get out of Pakistani affairs, there is no reason why India and Pakistan couldn't resolve things.
 
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AM64 said:
You get the impression that when Islam is involved there's never the hope of a big happy family. Considering the India/Pakistan squabbles over religious belief, it's hard seeing India allied with an Islamic nation, and like you believing India and China will patch up differences seems far fetched. Turkey seems like a goofball nation that can't figure out what it is or who to be allied with. I still have a hard time with Turkey as a member of NATO and blocking a couple of countries far closer the the North Atlantic than Turkey will ever be.
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No genius, Erdogan is leveraging his geographic position and trying to cut the best deals possible from each sphere of influence.

Don't confuse national sovereignty and flexibility with indecisiveness.

And why is it always that these countries have to pick a side? That's exactly what was the issue in Ukraine in 2013. They wanted Yanukovych to pick a deal with the EU exclusively... while the best option for Ukraine, given its location, was to have economic ties with Europe and the east/Russia.

Also, since you find no value in Turkey, why not remove our nukes and get out of Incirlik... and let's see how easy getting into the Black Sea gets.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
No genius, Erdogan is leveraging his geographic position and trying to cut the best deals possible from each sphere of influence.

Don't confuse national sovereignty and flexibility with indecisiveness.

And why is it always that these countries have to pick a side? That's exactly what was the issue in Ukraine in 2013. They wanted Yanukovych to pick a deal with the EU exclusively... while the best option for Ukraine, given its location, was to have economic ties with Europe and the east/Russia.

Also, since you find no value in Turkey, why not remove our nukes and get out of Incirlik... and let's see how easy getting into the Black Sea gets.
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No, I do get that, but sometimes when you play musical chairs you get left out.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
If America would get out of Pakistani affairs, there is no reason why India and Pakistan couldn't resolve things.
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Considering how they were established, their history, and that both are run by religious nationalists, yeah there are certainly reasons why they can't resolve things, at least any time soon.
They're both arbitrary creations from the ashes of empire so long term if they can ever get over the religious divide they could even merge one day. They could also break up into smaller states, like before the European colonization.
 
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DonjoVol said:
India has the world's 3rd largest Muslim population. The Muslim population in India is roughly 11% of the world's Muslim population.

From my understanding India is already allies with Bangladesh, which has over a 90% Muslim population.

So taking all that into consideration it isn't far fetched at all that India and Pakistan could become allies.
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I believe India helped Bangladesh in their war of independence from Pakistan, hence the good terms. And India has good relations with other predominantly Muslim countries. But India and Pakistan have some very major obstacles between them.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
America has a way of pushing countries closer together... even if they have had disagreements in the recent past. You would think that at some point, the US would learn.
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It would make sense for neighbors like Pakistan and India to be allies. I mean we want good relationships with our neighbors Mexico and Canada. Why would anyone not be hopeful that Pakistan and India become allies?
 
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DonjoVol said:
It would make sense for neighbors like Pakistan and India to be allies. I mean we want good relationships with our neighbors Mexico and Canada. Why would anyone not be hopeful that Pakistan and India become allies?
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Lol at it would make sense. They have been killing each other for hundreds if not thousands of years. Even before the Brits drew a line on the map or even Islam became the dominant religion of the Pakistani area. They still have violent and deadly disagreements on border regions, and have consistently chosen to be on the opposite side of the other in pretty much every regional or global political issue.

Your New Eastern World Order dream is a LONG way off. Let's see if they can go a decade without killing each other before we assume they should be singing kumbya.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Turkish Interior Minister Soylu Claims "The Whole World Hates America" and Refers to Europe as a "mere Pawn"
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It is just my opinion, but I think America is less revered today than it has ever been. That is a problem. The democrats have turned us into a banana republic that is hated, looks dishonest with low ethical values as a society. A mockery. The irony is they think they are doing the opposite. The definition of delusion.

And no, being hated ain't something to smile and giggle about Vol fans. In life it's lost credibility.
 
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So there is some speculation on how Hamas ended up with NATO/American weapons. 2 things to keep in mind:

1. The US and Israel could have very easily have armed them when Hamas was in Syria fighting against Assad.
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3. They very well could have been trafficked to Hamas from Ukraine.... with Turkiye being the go between. Keep in mind that the Turks were involved in shuffling weapons from Egypt and Libya to the Syrian fighters against Assad at the time of Benghazi. Not only could Turkiye have armed them, but they may be keeping them supplied and offering other assistance.

"Unconscionable": Republicans Press Pentagon Over American-Made Weapons In Hamas's Hands
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
If America would get out of Pakistani affairs, there is no reason why India and Pakistan couldn't resolve things.
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Ha: Indian and Pakistan are fierce enemies, and it has little or nothing to do with America. Kashmir is a major and volatile issue between the two--and has been for decades. Another bitter land dispute that's often been violent.
 
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turbovol said:
Ha: Indian and Pakistan are fierce enemies, and it has little or nothing to do with America. Kashmir is a major and volatile issue between the two--and has been for decades. Another bitter land dispute that's often been violent.
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When Muslims and Hindus fought for centuries before the British arrived, all they were thinking is “damn you, American foreign policy”.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
So there is some speculation on how Hamas ended up with NATO/American weapons. 2 things to keep in mind:

1. The US and Israel could have very easily have armed them when Hamas was in Syria fighting against Assad.
2. Afghanistan
3. They very well could have been trafficked to Hamas from Ukraine.... with Turkiye being the go between. Keep in mind that the Turks were involved in shuffling weapons from Egypt and Libya to the Syrian fighters against Assad at the time of Benghazi. Not only could Turkiye have armed them, but they may be keeping them supplied and offering other assistance.

"Unconscionable": Republicans Press Pentagon Over American-Made Weapons In Hamas's Hands
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your article doesn't actually link to anything that says Hamas actually is using NATO/American weapons. since your article is completely devoid of any actual facts or statiistic's its impossible to know if these weapons exist at all, yet alone pointing to some nefarious source. I am sure we can find a picture or twelve of a terrorist holding a M16 or something as "proof", but this article does nothing but raise the possibility of what it claims is happening. the article says high end US weapons are ending up in the hands of terrorists but they only mention M4s and M16s, those are small arms at least 2 or 3 generations old.

the one story they quote from an IDF commander says Hamas "are going to" get US weapons. the next story they quote is talking about how there is no substantial outflow of weapons from Ukraine, and that it likely won't be an issue until AFTER the war. the US Senators all talk about the "potential".

I see a couple other options.

4. plenty of US weapons were already on the market before any of this began. from sources other than those listed.
5. we/the CIA has already been caught arming terrorists, so this could just be left overs.
6. Russia is arming them with captured US equipment. you have many proclamations about all the captured/surrendered US gear, and Russia has been pretty open in supporting Hamas. Russia also has reason to sow disorder, see Africa, and they are also quiet capable with a direct land route to the area that Ukraine wouldn't have. giving away captured American weapons sows more unrest as now we are arming terrorists, and it allows Russia to keep its own weapons in their own hands for the war they are already fighting and depending on captured equipment isn't a great long term plan.

you know to try and paint a non-one sided option. I am really not sure how you drug Turkey into this whole mess.
 
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