'20 TX QB Haynes King (TAMU Commit)

[DefenseWins]

His point was that the strongest factor in A and M's favor is its proximity to home. But, you go ahead and carry on with that agenda of yours.

He didn’t get it.... and clearly already made his mind up about the staff... no need to prove his idiocy just let him keep talking, and he will provide the continued proof.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

JG going pro? In what sport??

The same one that Crompton and Dobbs did.

 

[Jackcrevol]

The same one that Crompton and Dobbs did.

The CFL is pro? Or Semi Pro?

i kid.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Right. We have such a lockdown on in-state recruits.

 

[scvolfan7]

Like I said. Deshaun Watson vibes here. Would change our program. Not saying Bailey can’t but King gives me more confidence

 

[bigl3327]

King may need 2 years of S&C to be SEC ready. One for sure.

 

[Nashvegas31]

King may need 2 years of S&C to be SEC ready. One for sure.

Have thought if this was a scenario staff is thinking of. Bailey physically further along and more polished. VQ talks a lot about Haynes seeking development. Maybe HB takes over after JG then HK develops and pushes later

 

[DaddyChad]

King may need 2 years of S&C to be SEC ready. One for sure.

Idk. The kid is one helluva athlete. He just needs to focus on football.

 

[Vol423]

He didn’t get it.... and clearly already made his mind up about the staff... no need to prove his idiocy just let him keep talking, and he will provide the continued proof.

Wrong. I very much like this coaching staff and think they are doing a really good job of recruiting. Nevertheless, we definitely have NOT yet put a lockdown on in-state talent. Therefore, the previous poster’s statement that he would definitely be a UT commit if he were from Tennessee was BS.

 

[Sleegro]

Wrong. I very much like this coaching staff and think they are doing a really good job of recruiting. Nevertheless, we definitely have NOT yet put a lockdown on in-state talent. Therefore, the previous poster’s statement that he would definitely be a UT commit if he were from Tennessee was BS.

Didn't they just get like 4 big in state commits? Including 2 of the highest rated in the state? I don't really agree with the other poster's point but yer reasoning isn't solid either. I also don't really care about locking down the state, just want the best players we can get.

 

[Evergrenevol]

Have thought if this was a scenario staff is thinking of. Bailey physically further along and more polished. VQ talks a lot about Haynes seeking development. Maybe HB takes over after JG then HK develops and pushes later

I would respectfully disagree. After watching “highlights” of both QBs, I would say that both QBs are very good. Both are accurate. King is more athletic, more evasive, has a quicker release, better footwork and makes better decisions under pressure. When Bailey has time he’s impressive. There’s a reason why Chaney went after King as soon as he came on board.

PS: These glorified 7 on 7 “flag football game” skills evaluation events are just that....It’s not football. If we had 5 seconds to get rid of it with no pressure, some of us would look good too. The underlying purpose of these events is money. Money from sponsorships and TV Rights Fees. College coaches already know who can play....

 

[volsagain]

I would respectfully disagree. After watching “highlights” of both QBs, I would say that both QBs are very good. Both are accurate. King is more athletic, more evasive, has a quicker release, better footwork and makes better decisions under pressure. When Bailey has time he’s impressive. There’s a reason why Chaney went after King as soon as he came on board.

PS: These glorified “flag football game” skills evaluation events are just that....It’s not football. If we had 5 seconds to get rid of it with no pressure, some of us would look good too. The underlying purpose of these events is to get money from sponsorships and TV Rights Fees. College coaches already know who can play....

Mostly true. Probably benefits receivers more to learn routes.

 

[LargePairOfVols]

The same one that Crompton and Dobbs did.

I hope he does. That means we probably had a good season. I just don’t think he sees the field well enough, bad OL or not. Let’s see. If he does I’ll be the first one to eat crow.

 

[secking]

In the morning session, King was the top talent on hand and won the knock-out competition on a cover 2 fade ball. He showed off the same kind of top end talent with his evening pro day, leading off with a ‘wow’ through on a corner route and delivering big throws all over the field. He was plagued with the most drops of any quarterback from his wide receivers but his combination of size, arm talent and ability to deliver in the big moments was striking.

-247

King ranked #3 in Elite 11 and was ranked #2 yesterday on accuracy

 

[orangebloodgmc]

You’re not wrong. I live 25 miles from Gatlinburg and most people you see there are vacationing from Kentucky and Alabama.

Bear feeders

 

[InVOLuntary]

Idk. The kid is one helluva athlete. He just needs to focus on football.

The kid at Clemson is not a physical specimen.

 

[Evergrenevol]

Mostly true. Probably benefits receivers more to learn routes.

I think you’re right. If anything positive comes out of these “events,” hopefully it’s some sound coaching that will help the kids in their future.

 

[HalfullVol]

The kid at Clemson is not a physical specimen.

surely you kid if you're referring to Trevor Lawrence.

 

[InVOLuntary]

surely you kid if you're referring to Trevor Lawrence.

This Trevor Lawrence? Seems pretty skinny to me. I realize the photo is in high school but King is in high school, no? So yes, I'm referring to Trevor Lawrence.

 

[OLB19_76]

-247

King ranked #3 in Elite 11 and was ranked #2 yesterday on accuracy

No he wasn’t 2nd and that isn’t the real ranking. That what 247 is pushing

 

[reVOLution33]

No he wasn’t 2nd and that isn’t the real ranking. That what 247 is pushing

What's the real ranking?

 

[secking]

No he wasn’t 2nd and that isn’t the real ranking. That what 247 is pushing

For 247, that is the real ranking for yesterday. 247 is different than Trents

 

[1vol8]

Am I the only one who thinks King and Brian Maurer have similar game? King is faster but...

You’re not. I think their games are very similar. Although you could be a little mislead on Maurer speed. He runs a consistent 4.6 on any given day. 4.5 on a good day (per his HS coach). The 4.79 you see they have posted was his sophomore year. They never updated it. King is a little more shifty though so I’ll go with quicker than Maurer but BM is bigger and who wants their starting qb to weave in and out of SEC defenses? Just give me fast enough to escape and get to the sidelines.

 

[Devo182]

Interesting A&M Staff post on King.

"This generation of high school quarterbacks dating back to the late 1990’s has been a group thas operated almost exclusively out of the gun as opposed to being under center. That’s because of the Air Raid offense and in particular former Texas Tech head coach Mike Leach’s influence. More people started throwing the ball around on earlier downs and they already knew that getting in the gun enabled them to protect their quarterbacks better and also enable them to see the field. Thus, operating out of the gun became far more prevalent than going under center even though the Air Raid offense was an offshoot of the West Coast offense and quarterbacks were under center. In particular, spread quarterbacks were used to taking snaps and not necessarily having to set their feet when delivering the ball.

In contrast, you had previous generations of quarterbacks used to coming out from under center. They dropped back with big and little steps, planted that back foot, and delivered the football. The footwork necessary to coming out from under center developed good passing habits because quarterbacks kept their feet underneath them and so had a solid base to deliver the ball which promoted both accuracy and velocity.

Texas A&M target and Longview quarterback Haynes King is a throwback in that regard. He’s grown up in a West Coast offense coming out from under center, using play fakes, and also rolling out and throwing the ball on the move. While he’s also grown used to operating out of the gun, he’s an interesting contrast to most of the quarterbacks competing at the Elite 11. For the most part, they’re taking snaps at the event from someone shoveling the ball off of the ground to simulate a center snap; King is taking the ball directly off of a chair. In the 7 on 7 portion of the event this morning, he did something you rarely see in 7 on 7 work…he took the ball from the chair, faked to a back behind him, and then threw on out route back across his body to his left side. The drop enabled him to control his feet, set himself, and then throw a strike along the sideline with great rotation in his hips and shoulders. Because he’s moving, he’s able to get into a rhythm and get the sum of his body to operate as a whole to accurately deliver the ball.

In addition, because quarterbacks who operate out of the gun get the ball more quickly, they tend to hold it lower at times and it impact their release point and the speed of their delivery. King comes out of his drop with the ball at chin level which should make it easier for him to get rid of the ball faster. He tends to operate with a sense of urgency in his drop backs.

You can see why teams that use West Coast attacks and operate under center moreso than most offenses like Texas A&M and Tennessee would want him. Again, while he still needs work and reps because he is a multi-sport athlete and hasn’t had the quarterback coaching that most of this generation get, there’s some things that he does better than those players. In addition, he’s a good athlete so he’s used to moving his feet to reorint himself in terms of his progressions. It will be interesting to see how A&M will use him if he commits to the Aggies and if that means that you see A&M not only get under center more but make play action type passing a bigger staple of their offense, even in passing situations, due to his comfort level on those types of throws."


Followed by a typical aggie SA response:
"I’d bet jimbo would use him as a QB."

 

[Sleegro]

Interesting A&M Staff post on King.

"This generation of high school quarterbacks dating back to the late 1990’s has been a group thas operated almost exclusively out of the gun as opposed to being under center. That’s because of the Air Raid offense and in particular former Texas Tech head coach Mike Leach’s influence. More people started throwing the ball around on earlier downs and they already knew that getting in the gun enabled them to protect their quarterbacks better and also enable them to see the field. Thus, operating out of the gun became far more prevalent than going under center even though the Air Raid offense was an offshoot of the West Coast offense and quarterbacks were under center. In particular, spread quarterbacks were used to taking snaps and not necessarily having to set their feet when delivering the ball.

In contrast, you had previous generations of quarterbacks used to coming out from under center. They dropped back with big and little steps, planted that back foot, and delivered the football. The footwork necessary to coming out from under center developed good passing habits because quarterbacks kept their feet underneath them and so had a solid base to deliver the ball which promoted both accuracy and velocity.

Texas A&M target and Longview quarterback Haynes King is a throwback in that regard. He’s grown up in a West Coast offense coming out from under center, using play fakes, and also rolling out and throwing the ball on the move. While he’s also grown used to operating out of the gun, he’s an interesting contrast to most of the quarterbacks competing at the Elite 11. For the most part, they’re taking snaps at the event from someone shoveling the ball off of the ground to simulate a center snap; King is taking the ball directly off of a chair. In the 7 on 7 portion of the event this morning, he did something you rarely see in 7 on 7 work…he took the ball from the chair, faked to a back behind him, and then threw on out route back across his body to his left side. The drop enabled him to control his feet, set himself, and then throw a strike along the sideline with great rotation in his hips and shoulders. Because he’s moving, he’s able to get into a rhythm and get the sum of his body to operate as a whole to accurately deliver the ball.

In addition, because quarterbacks who operate out of the gun get the ball more quickly, they tend to hold it lower at times and it impact their release point and the speed of their delivery. King comes out of his drop with the ball at chin level which should make it easier for him to get rid of the ball faster. He tends to operate with a sense of urgency in his drop backs.

You can see why teams that use West Coast attacks and operate under center moreso than most offenses like Texas A&M and Tennessee would want him. Again, while he still needs work and reps because he is a multi-sport athlete and hasn’t had the quarterback coaching that most of this generation get, there’s some things that he does better than those players. In addition, he’s a good athlete so he’s used to moving his feet to reorint himself in terms of his progressions. It will be interesting to see how A&M will use him if he commits to the Aggies and if that means that you see A&M not only get under center more but make play action type passing a bigger staple of their offense, even in passing situations, due to his comfort level on those types of throws."


Followed by a typical aggie SA response:
"I’d bet jimbo would use him as a QB."

Really good explanation.