'20 TX QB Haynes King (TAMU Commit)

[cncchris33]

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Uhhh...yeah, he would have, especially in this draft. That's not only my opinion, but the opinion of many draft analysts and NFL scouts and evaluators.

 

[cncchris33]

We have heard generational talent a couple of times in the past 5-7 years. Lawrence is very good. But Murray was unreal last year. TL would not have went ahead of him. Top 5 I would agree with.

You have to be kidding, right? Tell me you're kidding. Kyler Murray went #1 because he was the best of an average group of QBs (I'm being generous) in what is considered one of the worst overall draft classes in 20 years. Not only would Lawrence have been picked ahead of him, but so would Justin Herbert if he had entered. Murray had a great season in a terrible defensive conference, but he has a lot of red flags from a physical standpoint that Lawrence just doesn't have. Even if the arm talent were even, which it isn't even really close, Lawrence just has more of what the NFL is looking for.

 

[AngryButchJones]

I would 100% take Trevor Lawrence over Kyler Murray as my franchise QB. No questions asked. I could turn out to be wrong, but I highly doubt that.

 

[cncchris33]

I would 100% take Trevor Lawrence over Kyler Murray as my franchise QB. No questions asked. I could turn out to be wrong, but I highly doubt that.

We could all be wrong, but these guys are going #1 based on pro potential and Lawrence's potential is on another planet relative to Kyler Murray. If Murray outplays Lawrence as a pro, 90% of the population will be shocked. That isn't to say anything negative about Murray. Lawrence is just that good.

 

[1vol8]

Trevor Lawrence? Hmm maybe, at least top 5. Generational talent. Kid is phenomenal.

Trevor Lawrence is not all that great. He’s really good but how can anyone call him a program changer or generational talent when they’ve never seen him have to put a team on his back? He’s from Cartersville HS and was surrounded by D1 talent. He had a choice between his favorite college team growing up (UT) and Clemson. Anyone that doesn’t think the kid chose Clemson over UT SIMPLY because they were loaded with talent and an easier road to the NFL has blinders on. Had he come to UT do you think we are competing for national titles? No. One thing is certain about him though if you payed attention to his game closely. He’s not very good under pressure. He loses his accuracy. He’s never had to deal with much pressure and I find it hard to believe that the highest ranked qb in the history of 247 should have ANY glaring flaws in his game. He can improve so I don’t doubt that but he’s no generational talent. He’s a product of his environment.

 

[SLICKYINC]

Trevor Lawrence is not all that great. He’s really good but how can anyone call him a program changer or generational talent when they’ve never seen him have to put a team on his back? He’s from Cartersville HS and was surrounded by D1 talent. He had a choice between his favorite college team growing up (UT) and Clemson. Anyone that doesn’t think the kid chose Clemson over UT SIMPLY because they were loaded with talent and an easier road to the NFL has blinders on. Had he come to UT do you think we are competing for national titles? No. One thing is certain about him though if you payed attention to his game closely. He’s not very good under pressure. He loses his accuracy. He’s never had to deal with much pressure and I find it hard to believe that the highest ranked qb in the history of 247 should have ANY glaring flaws in his game. He can improve so I don’t doubt that but he’s no generational talent. He’s a product of his environment.

 

[nicksjuzunk]

Trevor Lawrence is not all that great. He’s really good but how can anyone call him a program changer or generational talent when they’ve never seen him have to put a team on his back? He’s from Cartersville HS and was surrounded by D1 talent. He had a choice between his favorite college team growing up (UT) and Clemson. Anyone that doesn’t think the kid chose Clemson over UT SIMPLY because they were loaded with talent and an easier road to the NFL has blinders on. Had he come to UT do you think we are competing for national titles? No. One thing is certain about him though if you payed attention to his game closely. He’s not very good under pressure. He loses his accuracy. He’s never had to deal with much pressure and I find it hard to believe that the highest ranked qb in the history of 247 should have ANY glaring flaws in his game. He can improve so I don’t doubt that but he’s no generational talent. He’s a product of his environment.

He was a true freshman QB who won the NC over Bama. He has demonstrated success. I would say your stance is premature at best

 

[sonofUT62]

Trevor Lawrence is not all that great. He’s really good but how can anyone call him a program changer or generational talent when they’ve never seen him have to put a team on his back? He’s from Cartersville HS and was surrounded by D1 talent. He had a choice between his favorite college team growing up (UT) and Clemson. Anyone that doesn’t think the kid chose Clemson over UT SIMPLY because they were loaded with talent and an easier road to the NFL has blinders on. Had he come to UT do you think we are competing for national titles? No. One thing is certain about him though if you payed attention to his game closely. He’s not very good under pressure. He loses his accuracy. He’s never had to deal with much pressure and I find it hard to believe that the highest ranked qb in the history of 247 should have ANY glaring flaws in his game. He can improve so I don’t doubt that but he’s no generational talent. He’s a product of his environment.

Alabama went from a 24-6 winner to a 30 point loser to the same team in a 12 month period. The two reasons were the subtraction of Jeremy Pruitt and the addition of Trevor Lawrence. And what you just wrote was probably one of the 5 dumbest things I’ve ever read in 10 years on this site.

 

[1vol8]

He was a true freshman QB who won the NC over Bama. He has demonstrated success. I would say your stance is premature at best

Like I said he can get better over time. I’m not a hater by any means. I’m only saying he’s put on some kind of pedestal that PERHAPS he doesn’t warrant without evidence. Hes a very good qb but looks to me that he NEEDS a great team around him to maintain his success. With a great team he’s great. Without one he’s just good.

 

[1vol8]

Alabama went from a 24-6 winner to a 30 point loser to the same team in a 12 month period. The two reasons were the subtraction of Jeremy Pruitt and the addition of Trevor Lawrence. And what you just wrote was probably one of the 5 dumbest things I’ve ever read in 10 years on this site.

Just an opinion home boy. No need to get all personal with the “dumb” comment. Especially when it’s actually true statements. Go rewatch the NC game and tell me how he looked the FEW times Bama got pressure in his face.

 

[DaddyChad]

Just an opinion home boy. No need to get all personal with the “dumb” comment. Especially when it’s actually true statements. Go rewatch the NC game and tell me how he looked the FEW times Bama got pressure in his face.

It’s an opinion not many people will share.

 

[sonofUT62]

Just an opinion home boy. No need to get all personal with the “dumb” comment. Especially when it’s actually true statements. Go rewatch the NC game and tell me how he looked the FEW times Bama got pressure in his face.

Well “home boy” he had basically the same supporting cast as Bryant did the year before (except he did have Ross) and put up 38 more points. But yeah it’s just because of the skill players he has.

 

[#Vol4Life1991]

Alabama went from a 24-6 winner to a 30 point loser to the same team in a 12 month period. The two reasons were the subtraction of Jeremy Pruitt and the addition of Trevor Lawrence. And what you just wrote was probably one of the 5 dumbest things I’ve ever read in 10 years on this site.

And all of the players bama lost on defense (particularly the secondary). It's not a zero sum game

 

[1vol8]

It’s an opinion not many people will share.

Most people only look at the things a qb does well

 

[Vol423]

He was a true freshman QB who won the NC over Bama. He has demonstrated success. I would say your stance is premature at best

Trevor Lawrence is the prototype QB that every NFL team would design for themselves in a laboratory if they could. He is incredibly physically gifted, a strong leader, seems to have a good head on his shoulders, and improved tremendously as the season progressed. Kyler Murray is not in the same league as Lawrence.

 

[1vol8]

Well “home boy” he had basically the same supporting cast as Bryant did the year before (except he did have Ross) and put up 38 more points. But yeah it’s just because of the skill players he has.

So we’re going to act like Kelly Bryant was able to take advantage of said supporting cast the same way huh? Got it. It’s no secret that Kelly Bryant is a DT qb that can’t throw very accurately. That being said there are multiple different qbs throughout the league that could’ve had the same success with that team.

 

[sonofUT62]

So we’re going to act like Kelly Bryant was able to take advantage of said supporting cast the same way huh? Got it. It’s no secret that Kelly Bryant is a DT qb that can’t throw very accurately. That being said there are multiple different qbs throughout the league that could’ve had the same success with that team.

So it takes away from Lawrence’s talent that Bryant sucks? That’s astonishing “logic”. The kid beat down one of the 3 best defensive coaches in the history of college football with two of his top 3 receivers being a true freshman/sophomore. Two NFL GMs have been quoted as saying he would have been a top 5 pick in THIS years draft. But hey, if your trained eye tells you that he sometimes looks flustered by the blitz then you’re entitled to your opinion.

******That being said, I shouldn’t have called your opinion dumb. I took out my hatred for the Braves bullpen on you.

 

[cncchris33]

Trevor Lawrence is not all that great. He’s really good but how can anyone call him a program changer or generational talent when they’ve never seen him have to put a team on his back? He’s from Cartersville HS and was surrounded by D1 talent. He had a choice between his favorite college team growing up (UT) and Clemson. Anyone that doesn’t think the kid chose Clemson over UT SIMPLY because they were loaded with talent and an easier road to the NFL has blinders on. Had he come to UT do you think we are competing for national titles? No. One thing is certain about him though if you payed attention to his game closely. He’s not very good under pressure. He loses his accuracy. He’s never had to deal with much pressure and I find it hard to believe that the highest ranked qb in the history of 247 should have ANY glaring flaws in his game. He can improve so I don’t doubt that but he’s no generational talent. He’s a product of his environment.

Stopped reading after your first sentence. Not all that great?!?!? No offense, but you sound like a jilted lover because he chose Clemson over Tennessee, and it is grossly hampering your ability to be objective.

 

[SSVol]

And what about Haynes King? He’s excellent, and unlike TL, might actually come to UT!

 

[1vol8]

So it takes away from Lawrence’s talent that Bryant sucks? That’s astonishing “logic”. The kid beat down one of the 3 best defensive coaches in the history of college football with two of his top 3 receivers being a true freshman/sophomore. Two NFL GMs have been quoted as saying he would have been a top 5 pick in THIS years draft. But hey, if your trained eye tells you that he sometimes looks flustered by the blitz then you’re entitled to your opinion.

******That being said, I shouldn’t have called your opinion dumb. I took out my hatred for the Braves bullpen on you.

Its cool. And I picked up on the sarcasm but my eyes are actually trained for reasons unimportant. I understood this comment would start a debate and I’m cool with that as well. I just sometimes see things that others don’t regardless (no matter how true it may be) of popular opinion.

 

[1vol8]

Stopped reading after your first sentence. Not all that great?!?!? No offense, but you sound like a jilted lover because he chose Clemson over Tennessee, and it is grossly hampering your ability to be objective.

I’m actually one of the few that are happy he went elsewhere. Didn’t want him at Tennessee because I noticed it in him at the opening and Hs. UT wasn’t built the way he needed it to be and believe it or not most qbs know their own limitations. He would be under consistent pressure at UT (obviously) where he wouldn’t see much of that at Clemson.

 

[SLICKYINC]

El o el

 

[Sleegro]

Stopped reading after your first sentence. Not all that great?!?!? No offense, but you sound like a jilted lover because he chose Clemson over Tennessee, and it is grossly hampering your ability to be objective.

Pretty sure he's predicted Dobbs and cam sutton will be nfl hall of Famers in another life. He has a flawless eye test ya know.

 

[1vol8]

Pretty sure he's predicted Dobbs and cam sutton will be nfl hall of Famers in another life. He has a flawless eye test ya know.

I don’t understand why Some people get so butt hurt over someone else’s opinion. Those that do make me wonder why they bother coming on threads that debate inspired.

 

[secking]

I’m actually one of the few that are happy he went elsewhere. Didn’t want him at Tennessee because I noticed it in him at the opening and Hs. UT wasn’t built the way he needed it to be and believe it or not most qbs know their own limitations. He would be under consistent pressure at UT (obviously) where he wouldn’t see much of that at Clemson.

That’s an interesting take. Good for you standing by your opinion, I don’t agree with any if it, but kudos for digging in. Just a couple notes however. When TL was deciding, UT was on the upswing, did have talent on the roster and just finished up their 2nd straight season with 8 wins regular season when he picked CU. UT didn’t finish in his top two, they started as his top choice since childhood. Dude has/had Manning posters all over his wall. Entire family full of Vol fans. Not a secret, look at his thread and I mentioned everything above. So, what took UT OUT of consideration? Butch Jones, his dad said he wouldn’t go there with Butch as HC.

Disagree on his HS teams as well, I can tell you Joey King will vehemently disagree that Lawrence was a byproduct of those around him. King will tell you, TL carried the team the entire time he was there.