'20 TX QB Haynes King (TAMU Commit)

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jakez4ut said:
yeah, but i get where he's coming from. i used to argue with my boss about inclusion/exclusion of data all the time, and why this mattered, but that didn't....he was more of an "all in" guy, and i'm definitley more of a meat and potatoes guy...stick to the relevant data, give a clearer picture of what the problem is, and what to fix.

bottom line, i want to know the validity of the data i'm analyzing and drawing conclusions from too.

but there's a point where some data points, you just acknowledge them for what htey are and move on........this is one of those imo. it's symptom, not the magic bullet.

our passing game sucked. this is just one of the several reasons it did....receivers could reduce drops, they could run better routes, they could create more seperations etc, etc, etc....but first things first.......what the hell is the problem? lol.
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This is from the CFB Filmroom site about the subjectiveness of advanced stats:

Why are your advanced stats different from other sites?

Most advanced stats are subjective, there’s just no way around that. But we can remove most of the subjective element by creating a definition to follow. For example, what is a contested catch? Your definition might be different than ours, but our analysts are all trained to follow the same critera for every advanced stat.


If you’re comparing one advanced stats source to another, you’re comparing two different definitions. But if you compare two players’ stats from the same source, you have them on a level playing field and both sources are equally valuable, even if the exact numbers are different.
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Pretty reasonable.
 
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butchna said:
Read Chief saying it before you...and he meant it. Mills took it on as a cause.
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I don't think so, but you may be right...it's been awhile. I remember a few dumbasses thought I was agreeing with Mills and Chief..sarcasm is hard for dumb people to pick up on..
 
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Sleegro said:
You have picked yer hill to stand on and nothing anyone says will ever change yer mind. I provided everything you requested and yer still not "buying" it.
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I'm not "buying" that it is the earthquake you guys seem to think even if absolutely true. But ftr do you agree that subjective judgment is a factor?

They have a stricter definition of drops than any other service and it's not good enough for you. It seems like only fumbles can 100% be defined as drops in yer mind. My posts to you weren't a flawed defense. They weren't a defense at all. You asked questions regarding the stat that was posted. I was curious so I used the googles to find the answers. Of course it's an imperfect subjective stat. A lot of stats are. Go look at tackle stats that I'm sure you wouldn't put up this much of a fuss about. But it's the strictest most conservative definition of the stat out there. So if that's not good enough for you then no version of the stat will be.
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You partly answered the question but the "value" of the data is just as much an issue as the quality of it... and the quality is within what should be a reasonable range of error between a guy in 6th place and JG near the bottom.
 
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AaronUT said:
Of all the mountains that we call molehills, you chose to conquer.

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LOL... I didn't bring it up. I haven't made a mountain out of it. I have admitted it is a factor but a relatively small one.

Your "molehill" argument... should be used against those who think it answers a completely different criticism of JG.
 
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Go Fight Win said:
a 50-50 ball is a type of throw..

in the SEC, a fair amount of throws you make are 50-50 balls since coverage is pretty sticky and pass rush is the best in the country
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JG is very good at throwing back shoulder, "50-50" type balls. It is a highly skilled throw but doesn't require the QB to read coverage much as long as the WR has a good match up. Really he just has to account for one safety.
 
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Geez I click on this thread to see if there are any updates on Mr.King, but of course not. Scrolled through 3 pages of another JG debate. Seriously guys, give it up. Some are all for him and others are not. You're not going to change eachothers minds. Give it a rest. If you simply can't resist, by all means take it to one of the many threads on the topic. I've got a headache 😵
 
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Proud Army Wife said:
Geez I click on this thread to see if there are any updates on Mr.King, but of course not. Scrolled through 3 pages of another JG debate. Seriously guys, give it up. Some are all for him and others are not. You're not going to change eachothers minds. Give it a rest. If you simply can't resist, by all means take it to one of the many threads on the topic. I've got a headache 😵
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theres no info on king
 
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BigBadVol said:
I just don’t think the kid wants to compete against HB. It’s not that he is scared but if he can’t beat out HB then he will be riding the bench possibly into his junior year. JMO!
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He's going to compete against other elite QB's if he goes to Tenn,A'M,Auburn and most other elite football schools. He's known about Baiiley and would have never had us as an option if that's what he is worried about. Really sounds like he prefers to play for Pruitt and Chaney. A'M is close to home and the safe choice for him.
 
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Proud Army Wife said:
Geez I click on this thread to see if there are any updates on Mr.King, but of course not. Scrolled through 3 pages of another JG debate. Seriously guys, give it up. Some are all for him and others are not. You're not going to change eachothers minds. Give it a rest. If you simply can't resist, by all means take it to one of the many threads on the topic. I've got a headache 😵
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So you're an Army wife but you're bothered by time-wasting diversions? :skeptical:
 
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MrVolton said:
During the split season, Dormady benefitted from a fresher and healthier OL, and a much softer schedule. Guarantano actually ended up with a higher passer rating that season on only 2 more attempts than Dormady and against more SEC opponents. If you think it’s so difficult to know which is which, then how are you so sure that JG “flat takes too long to make a decisions?” Do you have your stopwatch out clocking his snaps? Because it’s not hard to see the OL getting totally blown up off the snap, and how that totally disrupts anything the offense is trying to do. How can you determine that he takes too long to make decisions when he literally has had no time to make decisions?

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Our OL has been piss poor at everything for a couple years now. Point being, we’ve probably had the worst OL in the SEC the last 2 years and historically, probably the worst OL play in UT history over that stretch. Still think it’s unfair to judge JG as a result.

UGA probably just had to rush 4 the whole game. All I know is that the reason UGA blew us out had more to do with the fact that they utterly dominated both lines of scrimmage.

So you are familiar enough with the playbook to not only know what pre-snap and post-snap judgements JG is supposed to make, but to the degree that you can evaluate said judgement as poor? Because I can’t do all that, but I can see the OL getting manhandled by the likes of Chattanooga and somebody in our QB’s face about 1.2 seconds after the snap

For a good example of what happens when you try to make a living off dink and dunk, see UT’s final offensive play of the 2007 SEC Championship game. That Vol OL was much better than the one we’ve been fielding the last couple years, BTW.
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Don't talk with to much common sense...that will really irritate the JG haters
 
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ATm has 3 good receivers in this class and it’s close to home. Should be an easy choice and he still hasn’t picked them. I think he really wants to be here but he’s waiting to see if any receivers commit to us in the near future.
 
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jasonvol18 said:
He's going to compete against other elite QB's if he goes to Tenn,A'M,Auburn and most other elite football schools. He's known about Baiiley and would have never had us as an option if that's what he is worried about. Really sounds like he prefers to play for Pruitt and Chaney. A'M is close to home and the safe choice for him.
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Your analogy makes too much common sense. I think your spot on. GBO!!!!!
 
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sjt18 said:
And still there is a judgment call on the part of the guy(s) counting. Even if the same guy, fatigue and other things can cause variance in how similar plays are judged.

UT's receivers dropped passes. One is too many. But that is much less a factor than JG's decision making and reads or the OL's failings.

Also I mentioned earlier that QB timing can also impact drops. A short or late pass can allow the D to close and make the catch more difficult.
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The discussion appears to be centered around DROPS. The way the chart is created was consistent across the board for each QB. I drop by the War has nothing to do with his decision making or OL. If it were an issue or contributed to said drops, the ball wouldn't have been there for a WR to drop it. You're looking for excuses to muddy the chart, instead of saying a drop is a drop. There is a standard for the judged drops. May not be perfect, but it is a metric each QB is judged from. Regardless of baseball strike zone, fatigue or anything else you can throw out there, it's just another issue that attributed to our poor play. Your putting everything solely on JG I every thread his name is mentioned in. Mention JG and you show up to say how bad he is.
 
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