Tyler Baron has entered the portal

[VolFreakJosh]

What if Garner hurt his feelings?

 

[CAVPUT]

Michigan sent him packing right away because it was obvious he wasn’t the guy. When a Michigan QB is bad, they continue to start them. They cycle new guys in. They’re the #1 seed in the playoff.

At Tennessee, we let QBs overstay when they’re not good and then we lose games we shouldn’t, like Florida & Mizzou. It’s been this way for like 7 years.

I've seen fans ask "where's the loyalty"? Two way street. Heupel is first and foremost a players coach. He was one...and pretty elite in his own right. Milton showed him confidence and loyalty. While I'm on record as having preferred he send Milton packing and hitting the portal last year, Heupel stayed true to his nature and showed loyalty to a guy who stayed loyal to UT. Would we have had a better record with the kid from Wake? Maybe. Might have gotten us another win, but what does that tell your roster and recruits about you as a coach? What does it say about your character? In the moment, I saw things as you do now. In hindsight, I was wrong. In the face of criticism and at the risk of turning off some supporters, he did the right thing. I'm hopeful that one day we'll be where Michigan is as a program, but I want to see it done the right way. Might be old school and old fashioned, but if we have to sell out to get there, no thanks. I'll take 8 wins and doing right by people and doing things the right way. I can see eyes rolling but character does count.

 

[BP4Prez]

If he goes to Bama I will despise him

Would he play/start there? Serious question. I don’t know their depth chart. Not their typical take portal wise (5th year guy - mid/late round pick).

 

[cobbwebb0710]

So he starts at UT, but wants to go someone and hope to play? Probably chasing a championship ring. If I were him, I'd strike while the iron is hot and go pro. He didn't have a great season in 2023, but I think his draft stock is somewhat still kind of high. If he goes somewhere and rides the pine, he may become an afterthought?

He is credited for 6 sacks and 16 tackles on the season. Not sure what games he got those in.

James Pearce is credited with 8.5 sacks and 24 tackles and a forced fumble on the season.

I guess this takes Baron out of the bowl game. The bowl game could be a chance for Baron to wow some NFL folks.....

To be fair, Baron was held about 98% of the time.
He consistently beat the guy(s) trying to block him and it was criminal how he was treated by SEC officiating this past season.

 

[OrangeTsar]

What the hell does this discussion have to do with the topic of Tyler Baron? Go debate Milton in a Milton thread.

Heaven knows there is no shortage of THOSE

 

[cobbwebb0710]

I kinda like the old days when recruits came in because they wanted to play and get an education from a particular college.
College football has became a business and it’s seems to be only money driven and no player seems to have an allegiance to a team and what it means to lay it all out there a call their Team a team.
Now we hear where major colleges can offer 30K to each player regardless of their participation which seems to be fair when one player gets millions to play and the others get nothing.
We then wonder what causes locker room issues when some players roll in with shiny new cars and others have to take the bus.
I’m of an opinion college football will be forever changed, but this being said, it’s hard to blame a young man when he can earn a basket of cash.
Just my opinion….

you’ll be crucified for these thoughts.

 

[BruisedOrange]

I've seen fans ask "where's the loyalty"? Two way street. Heupel is first and foremost a players coach. He was one...and pretty elite in his own right. Milton showed him confidence and loyalty. While I'm on record as having preferred he send Milton packing and hitting the portal last year, Heupel stayed true to his nature and showed loyalty to a guy who stayed loyal to UT. Would we have had a better record with the kid from Wake? Maybe. Might have gotten us another win, but what does that tell your roster and recruits about you as a coach? What does it say about your character? In the moment, I saw things as you do now. In hindsight, I was wrong. In the face of criticism and at the risk of turning off some supporters, he did the right thing. I'm hopeful that one day we'll be where Michigan is as a program, but I want to see it done the right way. Might be old school and old fashioned, but if we have to sell out to get there, no thanks. I'll take 8 wins and doing right by people and doing things the right way. I can see eyes rolling but character does count.

20 Likes for this post!
Demand loyalty -- extend loyalty.

And if as a fan you want to make a difference in Tennessee teams, become a loyal, supportive fanbase instead of a demanding, entitled one! If Tennessee fans became known for their personal and emotional support for their players... this would become an absolute portal and recruiting destination!

Improving the fanbase culture is something we can do to help our team.

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

These NIL deals will need to be actual signed contracts with player buyouts to keep players in place.

 

[OrangeTsar]

20 Likes for this post!
Demand loyalty -- extend loyalty.

And if as a fan you want to make a difference in Tennessee teams, become a loyal, supportive fanbase instead of a demanding, entitled one! If Tennessee fans became known for their personal and emotional support for their players... this would become an absolute portal and recruiting destination!

Improving the fanbase culture is something we can do to help our team.

Agree . The way some fans treated both Milton and Hadden this year was shameful.
Full disclosure: I too sometimes expressed frustration with their play at times; but never quit hoping for their success. They both gave their all for Tennessee this year which is all we ask.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

You’re really reaching. Comparing apples and oranges. Businesses have always negotiated. It’s part of business. This has not always been a business where kids can get rich and negotiate. One would think a 100K education was enough. I run a business. Corporate makes millions off if said businesses, mine included. I don’t feel entitled to more just bc they make X. That’s socialistic thinking. You might wanna try Cuba.

Actually, the Supreme Court of the United States agreed in Alston decision that the NCAA was likely in violation of Sherman Antitrust Act.

It was a traditionalist, Justice Kavanaugh, appointed by Donald Trump, who was the most clear. But, those Trump appointees are such liberals and belong in Cuba, right?

"Nowhere else in America can businesses get away with agreeing not to pay their workers a fair market rate on the theory that their product is defined by not paying their workers a fair market rate," Kavanaugh wrote. "And under ordinary principles of antitrust law, it is not evident why college sports should be any different.

"The NCAA is not above the law."

 

[OrangeTsar]

Actually, the Supreme Court of the United States agreed in Alston decision that the NCAA was likely in violation of Sherman Antitrust Act.

It was a traditionalist, Justice Kavanaugh, appointed by Donald Trump, who was the most clear. But, those Trump appointees are such liberals and belong in Cuba, right?

"Nowhere else in America can businesses get away with agreeing not to pay their workers a fair market rate on the theory that their product is defined by not paying their workers a fair market rate," Kavanaugh wrote. "And under ordinary principles of antitrust law, it is not evident why college sports should be any different.

"The NCAA is not above the law."

Does the NCAA have a Congressional waiver for Antitrust? It seems like they do but I wasn’t sure.
If they do, watch out for the Florida delegation to maybe try and repeal it over the FSU debacle

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Does the NCAA have a Congressional waiver for Antitrust? It seems like they do but I wasn’t sure.
If they do, watch out for the Florida delegation to maybe try and repeal it over the FSU debacle

They don't. MLB does.

 

[sami]

So the SEC strikes a THREE BILLION DOLLAR deal with ESPN and that's not a problem.

Players are looking for money and "I'm going to drop the sport because it's all about money."

VN never ceases to amaze.

Who said the SEC expanding and selling out to ESPN isn't a problem? You're talking about two different sides of the same problem - the schools and conferences selling their souls for the almighty dollar, and the kids demanding their piece of the pie. Do I necessarily blame the kids? No, but it doesn't mean I have to think it's a great thing and in any way healthy for the sport. The whole thing has become a travesty and is ruining everything that made college football the greatest sport in the country.

To be honest, I don't have as much of an issue with kids getting NIL money as I do the transfer portal, which will destroy the sport if it isn't reined in to some degree. I do think players getting one 'free' transfer is fair given that coaches can come and go at will, but this idea of 'testing the market' after every season is going to make team building and any kind of continuity impossible for all but the elite programs. It's becoming like trying to herd a bunch of cats. How is a coach supposed to build a solid program when trying to keep players you spent time and resources recruiting becomes an every year ritual?

The whole thing sucks, but as the tired cliche goes, it is what it is. I've abandoned pro sports because of how they've sold out to TV and every woke organization, and ruined the games with idiotic rule changes. CFB is hanging on by its fingernails now, and slipping fast.

 

[sami]

I've seen fans ask "where's the loyalty"? Two way street. Heupel is first and foremost a players coach. He was one...and pretty elite in his own right. Milton showed him confidence and loyalty. While I'm on record as having preferred he send Milton packing and hitting the portal last year, Heupel stayed true to his nature and showed loyalty to a guy who stayed loyal to UT. Would we have had a better record with the kid from Wake? Maybe. Might have gotten us another win, but what does that tell your roster and recruits about you as a coach? What does it say about your character? In the moment, I saw things as you do now. In hindsight, I was wrong. In the face of criticism and at the risk of turning off some supporters, he did the right thing. I'm hopeful that one day we'll be where Michigan is as a program, but I want to see it done the right way. Might be old school and old fashioned, but if we have to sell out to get there, no thanks. I'll take 8 wins and doing right by people and doing things the right way. I can see eyes rolling but character does count.

Might be old school and old fashioned, but if we have to sell out to get there, no thanks. I'll take 8 wins and doing right by people and doing things the right way.

Amen, brother.

 

[OrangeBeachVol]

Off the Hook Sports posted an article that he was unhappy with Nico's NIL $. Don't know if they have any real inside info or not.

 

[sami]

20 Likes for this post!
Demand loyalty -- extend loyalty.

And if as a fan you want to make a difference in Tennessee teams, become a loyal, supportive fanbase instead of a demanding, entitled one! If Tennessee fans became known for their personal and emotional support for their players... this would become an absolute portal and recruiting destination!

Improving the fanbase culture is something we can do to help our team.

But that would mean seeing an 8-4 record three years into a tough and challenging rebuild and not making the 12-team playoff every season as utter failure and time for heads to roll. You're asking a lot.

 

[MegaVol615]

Off the Hook Sports posted an article that he was unhappy with Nico's NIL $. Don't know if they have any real inside info or not.

If Baron has aspirations to play in the nfl he better get used to the QB making more than him

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Who said the SEC expanding and selling out to ESPN isn't a problem? You're talking about two different sides of the same problem - the schools and conferences selling their souls for the almighty dollar, and the kids demanding their piece of the pie. Do I necessarily blame the kids? No, but it doesn't mean I have to think it's a great thing and in any way healthy for the sport. The whole thing has become a travesty and is ruining everything that made college football the greatest sport in the country.

To be honest, I don't have as much of an issue with kids getting NIL money as I do the transfer portal, which will destroy the sport if it isn't reined in to some degree. I do think players getting one 'free' transfer is fair given that coaches can come and go at will, but this idea of 'testing the market' after every season is going to make team building and any kind of continuity impossible for all but the elite programs. It's becoming like trying to herd a bunch of cats. How is a coach supposed to build a solid program when trying to keep players you spent time and resources recruiting becomes an every year ritual?

The whole thing sucks, but as the tired cliche goes, it is what it is. I've abandoned pro sports because of how they've sold out to TV and every woke organization, and ruined the games with idiotic rule changes. CFB is hanging on by its fingernails now, and slipping fast.

The fact is: college football sold out to big money before this current crop of athletes were born.

Hanging most of this on guys who DIDN'T create this and AREN'T breaking the current rules is my beef with VN.

Is the NCAA sanctioning these kids? telling them "you can't do this" or are they following the rules that are there?

The answer is: they're following the rules.

But VN continuously goes after the kids like they created the mess the NCAA and schools created. They didn't. They just came of age in the middle of this mess and are trying to do the best thing for themselves.

"But, they're not behaving like the guys did in the 60s......" I can assure you, Tyler Baron DID NOT change the rules for players AND I don't think he's in violation of them.

You're upset because someone is following the rules they didn't make.

 

[TheDeeble]

Somebody has gotten Baron’s attention. Welcome to College Football 2024. It really is all about the $$$ and tampering now. Loyalty has gone the way of the Dodo Bird. This is just like the NFL. You won’t know what your roster is going to look like until the week before the first game. Might as well forget watching players for four years. Don’t know how coaches can function now when you have to recruit high schoolers, portal transfers and re-recruit existing players to stay. It is absolutely off the rails.

Bowl games? Might as well forget those. We may be down to the scout team by the time the Citrus Bowl rolls around. Unless they change their mind, we lost two defensive starters today. Said it last year and I’ll say it again. Bowl games are a nice diversion but the results mean little to nothing anymore.

Bowl game results didn’t mean anything 30 years ago either. Only the 2, possibly, 3 bowls that had teams that might win a coaches or AP national championship.

Or are we supposed to believe that the Citrus Bowl was a once prestigious event.

 

[OrangeTsar]

Off the Hook Sports posted an article that he was unhappy with Nico's NIL $. Don't know if they have any real inside info or not.

If that is true, then the young man is sadly naive about free market economics. I like to write; but if I expect to get a book deal along the lines of John Grisham, I am going to be terribly disappointed

 

[BruisedOrange]

But that would mean seeing an 8-4 record three years into a tough and challenging rebuild and not making the 12-team playoff every season as utter failure and time for heads to roll. You're asking a lot.

Huh? Maybe you meant to reply to a different post.

 

[TheDeeble]

You’re really reaching. Comparing apples and oranges. Businesses have always negotiated. It’s part of business. This has not always been a business where kids can get rich and negotiate. One would think a 100K education was enough. I run a business. Corporate makes millions off if said businesses, mine included. I don’t feel entitled to more just bc they make X. That’s socialistic thinking. You might wanna try Cuba.

Who gets to determine what is “enough”. Since when is there a cap on what someone should be able to earn? That’s communistic thinking comrade.

 

[TheDeeble]

What happened to loyalty?

If the transfer portal was as player friendly 30 years ago as it is now then the loyalty you think existed would have been non existent. It was much harder for players to change schools back then. Sign the letter of intent and it’s an uphill battle to move.

 

[sami]

The fact is: college football sold out to big money before this current crop of athletes were born.

Hanging most of this on guys who DIDN'T create this and AREN'T breaking the current rules is my beef with VN.

Is the NCAA sanctioning these kids? telling them "you can't do this" or are they following the rules that are there?

The answer is: they're following the rules.

But VN continuously goes after the kids like they created the mess the NCAA and schools created. They didn't. They just came of age in the middle of this mess and are trying to do the best thing for themselves.

"But, they're not behaving like the guys did in the 60s......" I can assure you, Tyler Baron DID NOT change the rules for players AND I don't think he's in violation of them.

You're upset because someone is following the rules they didn't make.

You read my post completely wrong, or at least missed my point, which is that all of these developments - realignment, monster media deals, NIL, and the transfer portal - are quickly destroying what's left of the sport. The fact that kids are now taking advantage of these opportunities isn't their fault, and I don't blame them, but I don't have to like it.

I never once attacked Baron or any other player because of precisely the fact that they are simply following rules that have been established. It's the fact that these rules don't take into account the incalculable damage all of this will eventually do to the sport if it isn't reined in to a degree, but I'm afraid that horse has already left the barn.

Regarding hammering Baron or any other kid, I completely agree with you. The NCAA, schools, and conferences created this mess, and you can trace it back to the '90's, when realignment and big money TV deals really kicked in. The players are the easy and most visible target for fans because we don't see the behind-closed-doors backroom dealing.

Everyone loves all the access, being able to see every game with conference networks, and the growth of the SEC into a monolith, but now the bill has come due, so to say. All of this was inevitable.

 

[sami]

Huh? Maybe you meant to reply to a different post.

I was totally agreeing with you. Guess I needed to use a different color font, or however it is you express sarcasm.