Tyler Baron has entered the portal

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sami said:
Agree, but my point was that A-Rod got crucified by fans for signing a contract that every one of them would have signed. He took the heat while the people who created the mess were encouraged by those same fans to spend more, more, more. And they then complain that it costs $600-800 to take a family of four to a ball game by the time travel, parking, and concessions are factored in.
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Totally agree and well said. I don't think the players really care what we think about their NIL deals. At their age, I'd have done exactly that and I think they know it.

What's really sad is the obvious insanity of this "cobbled together reimbursement system" the NCAA and schools have created. It's not like they couldn't see this coming but the NCAA fought to the end WITHOUT even trying to create something other than the "wild west" they've given us.

I can't blame a kid who works really hard, conditions, uses God's natural gifts, AND, like kids are supposed to and have done since cavemen, makes short term decisions that leave you shaking your head about as often as they make you proud.

I CAN blame the NCAA and school admins who had a clue where this was going and had the advice of attorneys and accountants and supposed age and wisdom for letting this happen.
 
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sami said:
Contracts mean nothing in sports any more, but to me a big part of the problem would be solved if the portal issue was properly addressed. You get one free transfer, and from there you would have to sit out a year for any further transfers. That's reasonable, and teaches these kids some accountability for their decisions. Do I believe it will ever happen? No.
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They have it that way now. Problem is, you can threaten to leave each year unless your NIL bag is bigger.

If you are locked in for at least 3 years, you can’t threaten to leave AND, it should be considered tampering if a collective talks to any player at a different school before they enter the portal.
 
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sami said:
Contracts mean nothing in sports any more, but to me a big part of the problem would be solved if the portal issue was properly addressed. You get one free transfer, and from there you would have to sit out a year for any further transfers. That's reasonable, and teaches these kids some accountability for their decisions. Do I believe it will ever happen? No.
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The problem is that the moment they tried that, someone would just sue them anyway. The people who are hostile to the NCAA and even the very concept of amateurism think there should be no rules except the rule of money. They will sue, and sue, and sue, until there is nothing left to bother with.

There is, of course, a league tailor made for them, and it's called the NFL, but this "college athletics is evil and it must be ripped apart" kick has been building for a while.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Just like the last time he did this, Baron probably just wants more NIL money. I suspect he will get it from Spyre Sports Group and return to Tennessee .... again. Baron is just working the system. It's the new normal in college athletics.
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I don't see Marvin Harrison, Harold Perkins for LSU, or Mylel Williams for Georgia in the portal. They are all very good players, but they aren't working the system, and it's not the new norm.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Actually, the Supreme Court of the United States agreed in Alston decision that the NCAA was likely in violation of Sherman Antitrust Act.

It was a traditionalist, Justice Kavanaugh, appointed by Donald Trump, who was the most clear. But, those Trump appointees are such liberals and belong in Cuba, right?

"Nowhere else in America can businesses get away with agreeing not to pay their workers a fair market rate on the theory that their product is defined by not paying their workers a fair market rate," Kavanaugh wrote. "And under ordinary principles of antitrust law, it is not evident why college sports should be any different.

"The NCAA is not above the law."
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Not sure where the law lecture comes into play. The first and only thing that matters is they aren’t employees. The simple fact here is that me and you disagree on paying vs not paying college athletes. It’s that simple. No more no less. “Likely” in violation. Likely being the big word. Tell us where the line is drawn? High school players bring in money at the gates of ball games. Are we in violation for not lining their pockets? Or does your righteous rant end at X dollar amount? I recently paid to watch a bunch of 8 year olds “play” basketball. Should they get my $6 from the door? Do we draw the line at not gate money but apparel money? Lay us out a good model.
 
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EastTNVol6240 said:
I recently paid to watch a bunch of 8 year olds “play” basketball. Should they get my $6 from the door?
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No lie, the mental image of a bunch of 8 year olds haggling with the guy holding the cash box after the game made me laugh out loud. "Push-pop? Do I look like I want a push-pop? Screw your push-pops, Frank, I want my twenty bucks!"
 
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TheDeeble said:
Who gets to determine what is “enough”. Since when is there a cap on what someone should be able to earn? That’s communistic thinking comrade.
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The paying players debate will go on until the dinosaurs return. That is what it is. I come from a generation of being grateful. I paid for college. Athletes should have to decide get a check or pay for college. Not both. But that’s the “I deserve everything” world we live in now. Paying college athletes has ruined the sport. I quit watching Sundays for a reason. Saturdays will become much of the same with the new rules. It is now just the nfl Jr.
 
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EastTNVol6240 said:
The paying players debate will go on until the dinosaurs return. That is what it is. I come from a generation of being grateful. I paid for college. Harley’s should have to decide get a check or pay for college. Not both. But that’s the “I deserve everything” world we live in now. Paying college athletes has ruined the sport. I quit watching Sundays for a reason. Saturdays will become much of the same with the new rules. It is now just the nfl Jr.
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You & I are on the same page. Things are only going to get worse
 
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I hope Baron ends up back with us for next year but if not, good luck to him. He stayed through the Pruitt firing and NCAA investigation and he played hard every game. He’s a proven player and needs to do what’s best for him.
 
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sami said:
Excellent idea - I'll use brown as a bourbon drinker.

On game days, if people were honest, this forum would look like a coloring book.
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I also find it interesting that’s it’s usually not until Monday morning when the pushback really gets going.
 
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EastTNVol6240 said:
Not sure where the law lecture comes into play. The first and only thing that matters is they aren’t employees. The simple fact here is that me and you disagree on paying vs not paying college athletes. It’s that simple. No more no less. “Likely” in violation. Likely being the big word. Tell us where the line is drawn? High school players bring in money at the gates of ball games. Are we in violation for not lining their pockets? Or does your righteous rant end at X dollar amount? I recently paid to watch a bunch of 8 year olds “play” basketball. Should they get my $6 from the door? Do we draw the line at not gate money but apparel money? Lay us out a good model.
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It's not a lecture. It's the opinion of a Justice on the 9-0 Alston Supreme Court decision. Not one Justice disagreed. When a Supreme Court Justice says "likely in violation of antitrust," I hope you can understand he's studied the law far more than you and I. When none of his colleagues choose to write an opinion disagreeing, that "likely" is really likely. Eventually, the Supreme Court, after all, will decide that antitrust case.

We don't disagree that employee status is terrible for college sports. It is. Nonetheless, it's on the horizon and coming.

The schools and NCAA had decades to establish reasonable compensation for student-ahletes and instead chose to go to court and lose 9-0. After that, the NCAA...... not the student-athletes..... developed the NIL rules. The NCAA created the transfer portal, not the student-athletes. The NIL collectives are funded and run by big donors, not the student-athletes.

I don't know about you but I can see where the problem is and it's not the student-athletes.
 
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Can't on one hand be upset with Tyler Baron about loyalty, but then be happy about getting a Juice Wells or other 4/5 star transfer.

I think the way to keep continuity and players is to run a clean solid successful FOOTBALL program. As the head coach, if you are chasing around teenagers trying to keep up with how much money they are going to make or appease them, the FOOTBALL will diminish. Long term, when the football diminishes, nobody will make money. Maybe a quick splash like what is happening in Colorado, but long term, its still all about the game of football. Continue to be a football coach that produces results on the field so the program recruits itself. The players will make NIL money and stay. The few that want to test the waters to make a little more somewhere else should be welcome to do so but the culture of Tennessee Volunteer football stays in tact.
 
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Voltopia said:
The problem is that the moment they tried that, someone would just sue them anyway. The people who are hostile to the NCAA and even the very concept of amateurism think there should be no rules except the rule of money. They will sue, and sue, and sue, until there is nothing left to bother with.

There is, of course, a league tailor made for them, and it's called the NFL, but this "college athletics is evil and it must be ripped apart" kick has been building for a while.
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Hence why I concluded that it would never happen. As has been stated, the NCAA could have been way ahead of this and established some rules, many of which might not have held up in court. But as soon as the Ed O'Bannon lawsuit happened in 2009, the NCAA should have had lawyers looking at this and figuring out how to get in front of an issue that was coming, whether they liked it or not.

Instead, they did what they always do, and why they are essentially defunct at this point, which is stick their heads in the sand while being sure to reap the benefits from the cash cows these sports have become.
 
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Voltopia said:
I'm with y'all too. This stuff is going to kill the sport dead, and it will happen faster than some people realize and other people want to admit.
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Yeah, I'm quickly getting there, too. I don't watch any pro sports any more besides golf, and that's only for the majors and Ryder Cup - where I root for the Europeans, because I'd much rather party with those guys after the event than with the Americans, who are probably too busy with the entourages anyway.
 
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NetworkVol said:
Can't on one hand be upset with Tyler Baron about loyalty, but then be happy about getting a Juice Wells or other 4/5 star transfer.
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I don't even know why we'd be happy about bringing in one of the guys who helped ice Tennessee's amazing 2022 season anyway. Like, what is there to root for there? How do I cheer for that guy? His 120 yards were instrumental in beating us in Columbia last year. He'd only be here for the money, and just for a year at that ... so what is there to invest in? Or care about? It'd have nothing to do with Tennessee, and the guy sure as hell wouldn't be coming back for any Tennessee reunions in a decade, so what's the point? Woo, we couldn't beat this guy when it counted -- so we bought him. Some real Volunteer spirit there, boy howdy.
 
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He can gauge his NIL value on the open market versus his draft slot value with this move. Most places I have seen slot his as an UDFA, so if he can get a decent NIL offer somewhere, he would be silly not to take it. Football careers are short.
 
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Voltopia said:
Baron really needed to move on from that rip move. He was never going to get a flag trying that technique. Unless he could get past his man, the only thing it did was give OL a free pass on keeping the hold on him.
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I’m not tracking. The technique used is not to get a flag, it’s to get past the blocker and to the quarterback. There is either holding or there isn’t, and I saw him being held often, using various techniques.
 
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