Tyler Bray: Brain vs Brawn

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WoodsmanVol said:
DD is gone. Why can't folks like you let him stay gone?
Is it obsession? Latent fascination? Sympathetic Psychosomatic? Or a psychohistory chronological loop? Bray's gone too. May they both have future success and happiness.
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Maybe because its in the article and topic of discussion. If you dont like it, get bent. Nancy.
 
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So Dooley scapegoated Bray...I guess if it's on the internet it MUST be true. :jpshakehead:
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
DD is gone. Why can't folks like you let him stay gone?
Is it obsession? Latent fascination? Sympathetic Psychosomatic? Or a psychohistory chronological loop? Bray's gone too. May they both have future success and happiness.
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Well I just put my reading skills to work, and saw that it looked like DD put some blame on TB. I have read several article SINCE DD's departure that have flat out shocked me.

So I voiced my opinion on a website designed to allow you to do that. Others quoted me and agreed with me so maybe we are all crazy.
Or maybe we arent in that group of those who dont learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
Actually, what it shows is what I and people a whole lot smarter than me have said. Fans criticizing and badmouthing our players don't know their situation or circumstances. Th article justifies this claim yet again but those who lie in wait to ambush players at the slightest opportunity still won't learn anything.
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Bray was not above criticism; however, Dooley bad-mouthing him to NFL teams to make himself look better is pretty freaking low.

That does not absolve Bray from not putting in the work.
 
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velovol said:
Well I just put my reading skills to work, and saw that it looked like DD put some blame on TB. I have read several article SINCE DD's departure that have flat out shocked me.

So I voiced my opinion on a website designed to allow you to do that. Others quoted me and agreed with me so maybe we are all crazy.
Or maybe we arent in that group of those who dont learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
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Don't sweat it. Just seems there's some anti-Dooley post everyday. This is the BJ era with so much to be excited about I'd think we'd forget the DD hating stuff. But I blame myself, I should know better than to expect such from VN. At least you posted your response in a very intelligent and civilized manner. Thanks for that. :hi:
 
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velovol said:
The more I learn about DD as time passes the more I start to think he might be just as big a scumbag as his predecessor, CLK. He just might operate differently.
I don't care what conflict he may have had with Bray you don't trash the kid and/or blame him for losses. If the kid was that big a headache he could have run him off like so many other players he ran off.
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What makes it worse is that he clearly enabled Bray during his time here, choosing to randomly start holding him accountable mid-season by threatening to bench him if he turned the ball over. He changed the rules on Bray at the end, and now is threatening his career in the NFL.
 
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kohlrums said:
Bray was not above criticism; however, Dooley bad-mouthing him to NFL teams to make himself look better is pretty freaking low.

That does not absolve Bray from not putting in the work.
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Agreed. But what I meant was the history on VN of fans to turn on players so readily. the article just shows those who do are obviously ignorant of what's going on within the team. I recall some rabid hate directed at Bray during and after his time at the UT. Based on what was assumed but not known. I think the article just shows this truth.
 
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Rudy123 said:
The four best fits for Tyler Bray would be Pittsburgh, San Diego, Green Bay or Dallas. He could sit behind a veteran and learn for several seasons. Also, with him not being an early round draft selection, there would not be alot of pressure for him to get on the field.

The worse place for him to go to would be Buffalo because he would likely have to play in his rookie season.... which would mean disaster....
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Uh who is the clown coaching the Dallas wrs ? Bray doesnt need to be around the clown anymore. -- the 49ers are best choice Harbaugh works magic with qbs --
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
Agreed. But what I meant was the history on VN of fans to turn on players so readily. the article just shows those who do are obviously ignorant of what's going on within the team. I recall some rabid hate directed at Bray during and after his time at the UT. Based on what was assumed but not known. I think the article just shows this truth.
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The article is reinforcing most of the major criticisms about Bray. WTH are you talking about?

My recollection of the Bray criticisms: "He has freak physical talent. However, he seems to have maturity problems, decision making problems, leadership problems, and hasn't proven he can be clutch."

The article's description of NFL scout concerns: "He has freak physical talent. However, he seems to have maturity problems, decision making problems, leadership problems, and hasn't proven he can be clutch."
 
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good read. not sure i'd put Bray in the same category as Favre though. similiar off field issues and both have big time arms...difference was NO ONE questioned Favres toughness or leadership. in fact that might have gotten him more attention than his arm. remember the horrific car accident he came back from?
 
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508mikey said:
You mean a coach --
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We have a quarteback that broke the qb rushing record for qb's in the post season and led us to the brink of a Lombardi Trophy. We are all set at qb.

Chaney coached Bray. If it worked for Brees & Orton, it was good enough for Bray as well. The 49ers do NOT need Bray and I hope we do not draft him. Sincerely.
 
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It also didn't help that Bray lost his biggest sponsor at Tennessee in Kiffin, and there are those who believe Dooley has scapegoated him to some degree with NFL teams, in an effort to explain his own coaching failures with the Vols.
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There are those who believe a lot of things.
 
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I miss Dooley. I think we should consider hiring him again if this Butch thing doesn't work out JMO.
 
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As I was watching the Vandy game this past year, I made the comment to my wife that I thought Bray was intentionally throwing the game to cost Dooley his job. He succeeded.
 
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1972 Grad said:
As I was watching the Vandy game this past year, I made the comment to my wife that I thought Bray was intentionally throwing the game to cost Dooley his job. He succeeded.
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We should thank Tyler
 
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1972 Grad said:
As I was watching the Vandy game this past year, I made the comment to my wife that I thought Bray was intentionally throwing the game to cost Dooley his job. He succeeded.
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I thought the same thing, but its hard to conceive that someone would do something like that. Still, Dooley could have just kept Worley in for the whole game and this wouldn't even be a discussion.
 
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1972 Grad said:
As I was watching the Vandy game this past year, I made the comment to my wife that I thought Bray was intentionally throwing the game to cost Dooley his job. He succeeded.
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Interesting. I watched the game and told my wife that I thought Dooley was intentionally throwing the game to prove something to Bray.
 
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Or, and here's a thought to all the crazy people, what if Dooley said to NFL scouts "He's a freak athlete in terms of a pocket passer, but he's not very mentally tough and you can tell it cost us a few games in his tenure."

That's not throwing under the bus, but it's honest. But, if Dooley did that then you couldn't hate on him more, so everyone will pretend he just solely blamed everything on him instead of possibly giving a correct evaluation of him like most middle schoolers could.
 
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Daloth said:
Or, and here's a thought to all the crazy people, what if Dooley said to NFL scouts "He's a freak athlete in terms of a pocket passer, but he's not very mentally tough and you can tell it cost us a few games in his tenure."

That's not throwing under the bus, but it's honest. But, if Dooley did that then you couldn't hate on him more, so everyone will pretend he just solely blamed everything on him instead of possibly giving a correct evaluation of him like most middle schoolers could.
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This is very possible. You also can't ignore Dooley's history of blaming everyone except himself for failures. I could see both scenarios happening to be honest.
 
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