Tyler Bray: Brain vs Brawn

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Daloth said:
Or, and here's a thought to all the crazy people, what if Dooley said to NFL scouts "He's a freak athlete in terms of a pocket passer, but he's not very mentally tough and you can tell it cost us a few games in his tenure."

That's not throwing under the bus, but it's honest. But, if Dooley did that then you couldn't hate on him more, so everyone will pretend he just solely blamed everything on him instead of possibly giving a correct evaluation of him like most middle schoolers could.
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That very well could have happen, but DD's track record is not very good when it comes to accountability with himself or to his players
 
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velovol said:
The more I learn about DD as time passes the more I start to think he might be just as big a scumbag as his predecessor, CLK. He just might operate differently.
I don't care what conflict he may have had with Bray you don't trash the kid and/or blame him for losses. If the kid was that big a headache he could have run him off like so many other players he ran off.
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What Dooley is saying makes Bray's attitude & antics on the sideline during games make more sense...it's hard to give your all for someone you really don't care for. I know he should have given it all for Tennessee regardless, but many things are slowing being explained...SOOOO glad Dooley is gone before he could do MORE damage!
 
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The quote from the article was:

"It also didn't help that Bray lost his biggest sponsor at Tennessee in Kiffin, and there are those who believe Dooley has scapegoated him to some degree with NFL teams, in an effort to explain his own coaching failures with the Vols."

In no way defending CDD, but my first reaction reading this was that it was ridiculous and I find it hard to believe CDD would be stupid enough to do it. Bray had his bad moments and a couple of bad games, but as has been said 1,000,000 times, offense was not the problem last year - and I really don't care that Bray couldn't get the winning score against Georgia at the end - they still scored 45 points or whatever it was. Offense would have been viewed as awesome if we had a decent defense. Seems to me that has to be apparent to NFL teams. I could believe CDD might badmouth CSS - but this just seems too moronic.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
The article is reinforcing most of the major criticisms about Bray. WTH are you talking about?

My recollection of the Bray criticisms: "He has freak physical talent. However, he seems to have maturity problems, decision making problems, leadership problems, and hasn't proven he can be clutch."

The article's description of NFL scout concerns: "He has freak physical talent. However, he seems to have maturity problems, decision making problems, leadership problems, and hasn't proven he can be clutch."
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Hell, even Bray has said, "I have freak physical talent. However, I seem to have maturity problems, decision making problems, leadership problems, and I haven't proven I can be clutch."
 
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munsterlander said:
The quote from the article was:

"It also didn't help that Bray lost his biggest sponsor at Tennessee in Kiffin, and there are those who believe Dooley has scapegoated him to some degree with NFL teams, in an effort to explain his own coaching failures with the Vols."

In no way defending CDD, but my first reaction reading this was that it was ridiculous and I find it hard to believe CDD would be stupid enough to do it. Bray had his bad moments and a couple of bad games, but as has been said 1,000,000 times, offense was not the problem last year - and I really don't care that Bray couldn't get the winning score against Georgia at the end - they still scored 45 points or whatever it was. Offense would have been viewed as awesome if we had a decent defense. Seems to me that has to be apparent to NFL teams. I could believe CDD might badmouth CSS - but this just seems too moronic.
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Too moronic? For Dooley? Come on now ....
 
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Placing blame on Dooley for being honest with NFL execs is just UT fans looking for something else to pile on Dooley. He has enough faults. Why do we continue to makeup non-existent faults? It actually weakens your argument when you do that. Dooley is trying to work in the NFL. Pumping up a former player and making him something he is not is not what NFL execs want to hear. If he raves about Bray's work ethic, leadership, film study, etc. and then they get him in camp and he sucks at all that stuff then what do those coaches think about Dooley for recommending him? Dooley is just being honest about Bray to NFL execs, and that is exactly what they expect him to do. He is telling teams Bray has all the physical tools but does not have the desire and drive to play and compete at a high level. Everybody that has watched him play knows that to be accurate.
 
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Just think it's ironic that Bray is being cast in the same 'character issues' bucket as the likes of Mathieu and Da'rick.

Bray has big league talent but he's still a kid. You could argue that he's to blame for going early to the pro's but, as the article said, it would have been a gamble how 2013 played out with a new coach and system that clearly is not built for his skill set.

Basically, he got drunk and threw some crap off a balcony one night and then rode a jet ski without a life jacket. Big damn deal. he never got arrested, failed drug tests, cheated in school, sexually assaulted anyone....etc unlike an embarrassing number of pro prospects. Bray's biggest sin was getting stuck with a d-bag like CDD whom I suspect he couldn't stand. He was not always a pillar of strength and model of leadership but he is also not a bad kid. That's it, he is still just a kid compared to the likes of Newton, Leaf,....etc. Those guys were more mature than Bray but who says he won't mature just like we all did. He just needs a little time and will hopefully get it working with the practice squad until he becomes the next great pro QB from UT.
 
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vol2002 said:
The most interesting part of that article to me is the sentence towards the end that says Dooley has been placing some of the blame for his poor record on Tyler Bray. The awkward dynamic between Bray and Dooley definitely hindered us.
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I think Bray is a good Qb.

I think Dooley is a mediocre coach.

And I think Sal is a Bad DC.

Dooley isn't as bad as a coach as you people make him out too be.

Dooley would make a great WR or QB coach. Maybe OC even. (Maybe)
 
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Doyle Hargraves said:
Curious as to what proof you have to back this up.
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Tyler Bray

D Rogers

J hunter

Almost beating Georgia with his built team.

Almost beating LSU with his built team.

Beating Vandy 2/3 times

Beating Kentucky 2/3 times.

Not saying he is a great coach or even a good coach.....but he isn't a bad coach.

A bad coach goes 3-9

He is a mediocre coach
 
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Vol4life25 said:
I think Bray is a good Qb.

I think Dooley is a mediocre coach.

And I think Sal is a Bad DC.

Dooley isn't as bad as a coach as you people make him out too be.

Dooley would make a great WR or QB coach. Maybe OC even. (Maybe)
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Just don't let him call the shots when u have a chance to win with 45 seconds left and 2 timeouts in a tie ball game (mizzou)
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Vol4life25 said:
Tyler Bray

D Rogers

J hunter

Almost beating Georgia with his built team.

Almost beating LSU with his built team.

Beating Vandy 2/3 times

Beating Kentucky 2/3 times.

Not saying he is a great coach or even a good coach.....but he isn't a bad coach.

A bad coach goes 3-9

He is a mediocre coach
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That's your proof? That he had multiple NFL players and he still managed to become the first TN coach in over 100 years to have back to back to back losing seasons? Or is it that he ONLY lost to both Ky and Vandy in successive seasons, something no UT coach has done in many decades.

Your post makes no sense. A good coach wins 8-9 games last year. A bad coach gets fired for barely beating Troy, losing to a very bad Missouri team and getting blown out by Vandy ... VANDERBILT!!! Dooley, with a career .450 winning percentage was a very bad coach.
 
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KBVol said:
That's your proof? That he had multiple NFL players and he still managed to become the first TN coach in over 100 years to have back to back to back losing seasons? Or is it that he ONLY lost to both Ky and Vandy in successive seasons, something no UT coach has done in many decades.

Your post makes no sense. A good coach wins 8-9 games last year. A bad coach gets fired for barely beating Troy, losing to a very bad Missouri team and getting blown out by Vandy ... VANDERBILT!!! Dooley, with a career .450 winning percentage was a very bad coach.
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What??????????

When did I say Dooley was a good coach?

I said it like 3 times, he is a mediocre coach.

If you want to argue that Dooley isn't a mediocre coach. Then my advice is wiki the word "mediocre".
 
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Vol4life25 said:
What??????????

When did I say Dooley was a good coach?

I said it like 3 times, he is a mediocre coach.

If you want to argue that Dooley isn't a mediocre coach. Then my advice is wiki the word "mediocre".
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He was terrible during gameday. I can't remember all of the mistakes that landed him loses.
 
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the further dooley is in my rearview the more i see how bad he was for UT
 
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finn said:
Just think it's ironic that Bray is being cast in the same 'character issues' bucket as the likes of Mathieu and Da'rick.

Bray has big league talent but he's still a kid. You could argue that he's to blame for going early to the pro's but, as the article said, it would have been a gamble how 2013 played out with a new coach and system that clearly is not built for his skill set.

Basically, he got drunk and threw some crap off a balcony one night and then rode a jet ski without a life jacket. Big damn deal. he never got arrested, failed drug tests, cheated in school, sexually assaulted anyone....etc unlike an embarrassing number of pro prospects. Bray's biggest sin was getting stuck with a d-bag like CDD whom I suspect he couldn't stand. He was not always a pillar of strength and model of leadership but he is also not a bad kid. That's it, he is still just a kid compared to the likes of Newton, Leaf,....etc. Those guys were more mature than Bray but who says he won't mature just like we all did. He just needs a little time and will hopefully get it working with the practice squad until he becomes the next great pro QB from UT.
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That's not irony.
 
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