Tyler Bray should have stayed.

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biggestvols said:
I don't think he would be drafted even if he stayed. He was coming off a statistically good year.
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If he had a winning season, where he played well late in big games, and became a reliable leader, who studied film religiously...

He would have been a first round pick. He had he best arm in the draft, he just also happened to have the worst head.
 
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whether he stayed or went he was going to have to learn a new system. IMO, he's better off taking his chance even as an undrafted free agent where his life can be structured almost solely around football and if the Dolphins/Chiefs are committed enough, he can find the mentor that Dools never was. I also think nothing could have been more humbling for him than to go undrafted. In the end, this might be the best thing ever for him from a football standpoint.
 
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Bottom line. He's an idiot. Do we really wish that someone who basically admitted to quitting in games stay another season? No. Peace out. Waste of talent.

He has the natural ability but doesn't give a damn about team. He told Gruden that he gave about 70%… Geez thanks!! That probably cost UT a few games, you think? At least that attitude alone would.
 
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It's impossible to defend a guy who admits he didnt work as hard as he could have. But man, we turn on guys around here
 
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GAVol said:
It's impossible to defend a guy who admits he didnt work as hard as he could have. But man, we turn on guys around here
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what do you want him to say? You knew he didn't work as hard as he could have, I knew it, any seasoned football fan simply had to watch him the last two years to know he didn't work as hard as he should have been doing. At least he's reached a point where he can admit it now. He's gotta start somewhere. If going from a potential late first round to 2nd round pick to undrafted doesn't open his eyes, nothing will.
 
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i'll do a little exercise here and plead a case on behalf of mr. bray.

1. the physical talent is there. i think most agree on that. in the nfl, that typically trumps all at various points in the draft. i am not going to list all of the guys who were drafted who had character issues. they are numerous. and bray's issues don't involve drugs or a jail cell. but, these teams who research everything apparently didn't know erik ainge had a current drug problem or that danny wuerffel's arm wasn't strong enough, etc, etc, etc. or maybe they did and they were still drafted.

bottom line, someone drafted akili smith with the #3 overall pick. yet, tyler bray never was drafted.

2. what's so great about tennessee? again, think about this from bray's perspective.

year one. i start late my freshman year. probably my happiest year in knoxville.

year two. my offensive line can not run block. like on a comical level. yeah, it's fun slinging the ball around, but some help would be nice. oh, and i was injured.

year three. we fixed the offensive line. however, the defense decided to be this year's comedian. there were four occasions where we score 31 or more in conference games during the year and we lose those games. we gave up 48 to troy. i am the main guy people want to speak to in press conferences to explain why we are losing and i am the best damn thing going on this piece of crap squad.

after year three, coach moron is fired. while that's great, i have to deal with a new staff who is bringing in a new system. how much is he really going to worry about my future. i am a senior. we are going to get killed anyway. is he going to worry about the future of his program or is he going to worry about me? when the losses pile up (and they will), will he choose to bench me and move forward with the future of the program?

3. z. rogers, rivera, hunter, and patterson are all gone. well isnt that awesome

4. speaking of my attitude. surely people will remember i am 21 years old and my attitude can change. especially, if i am not put in a royally screwed up situation like tennessee where there was no leadership from the coaching staff and no leadership in the locker room. i mean who was i supposed to learn from about what it takes to be a great player. the minute i showed up to campus i was the best qb the school i had. my job was never threatened. it's hard for a young player to have the mental strength to put forward the extra effort when i am surrounded by a bunch of suck. so, yeah, excuse me if it got old being one of the few players who actually did his job at a reasonably high level and i didn't handle the culture of dooley very well.

5. it's still not going to be a good football team at tennessee.

6. it's a weak qb year in the nfl draft. really weak. like, somehow ryan nassib, tyler wilson and mike glennon were all rated ahead of me. do you really want to tell me that you'll draft bj daniels and a qb from southern utah over me because of immaturity at the age of 21. a 5th or 6th rounder is that much of a gamble?

3 kickers were drafted for crying out loud. from teams with a combined record of 17-31. teams that suck took picks on kickers, but there wasn't a team that would take a chance on da'rick rogers.

players may fail. but, that's not the point. there are players who were drafted who have no talent and will definitely fail.

sorry, i thought actually having talent was enough to have people take a chance on me since i never have been arrested or been linked to a drug problem. i'm sure no one with my issues was drafted
 
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Frankly, I am not sure he had much choice. CBJ wasn't going to have to put up with his bad attitude and he stood a real chance of being benched his senior year. That would have really killed his NFL chances.
 
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I'm not sure that Tyler Bray would have benefitted from staying another year. The tools he needed to improve his draft status have little to do with the mechanics of football.
 
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99gator said:
i'll do a little exercise here and plead a case on behalf of mr. bray.

1. the physical talent is there. i think most agree on that. in the nfl, that typically trumps all at various points in the draft. i am not going to list all of the guys who were drafted who had character issues. they are numerous. and bray's issues don't involve drugs or a jail cell. but, these teams who research everything apparently didn't know erik ainge had a current drug problem or that danny wuerffel's arm wasn't strong enough, etc, etc, etc. or maybe they did and they were still drafted.

bottom line, someone drafted akili smith with the #4 overall pick. yet, tyler bray never was drafted.

2. what's so great about tennessee? again, think about this from bray's perspective.

year one. i start late my freshman year. probably my happiest year in knoxville.

year two. my offensive line can not run block. like on a comical level. yeah, it's fun slinging the ball around, but some help would be nice. oh, and i was injured.

year three. we fixed the offensive line. however, the defense decided to be this year's comedian. there were four occasions where we score 31 or more conference games during the year and we lose those games. we gave up 48 to troy. i am the main guy people want to speak to in press conference to explain why we are losing and i am the best damn thing going on this piece of crap squad.

after year three, coach moron is fired. while that's great, i have to deal with a new staff who is bringing in a new system. how much is he really going to worry about my future. i am a senior. we are going to get killed anyway. is he going to worry about the future of his program or is he going to worry about me? when the losses pile up (and they will), will he choose to bench me and move forward with the future of the program. so, yeah, excuse me if it got old being one of the few players who actually did his job at a reasonably high level and i didn't handle the culture of dooley very well.

z. rogers, rivera, hunter, and patterson are all gone. well isnt that awesome

3. speaking of my attitude. surely people will remember i am 21 years old and my attitude can change. especially, if i am not put in a royally screwed up situation like tennessee where there was no leadership from the coaching staff and no leadership in the locker room. i mean who was i supposed to learn from about what it takes to be a great player. the minute i showed up to campus i was the best qb the school i had. my job was never threatened. it's hard for a young player to have the mental strength to put forward the extra effort when i am surrounded by a bunch of suck.

4. it's still not going to be a good football team at tennessee.

5. it's a weak qb year in the nfl draft. really weak. like, somehow ryan nassib, tyler wilson and mike glennon were all rated ahead of me. do you really want to tell me that you'll draft bj daniels and a qb from southern utah over my because of immaturity at the age of 21. a 5th or 6th rounder is that much of a gamble?

3 kickers were drafted for crying out loud. from teams with a combined record of 17-31. teams that suck took picks on kickers, but there wasn't a team that would take a chance on da'rick rogers.

players may fail. but, that's not the point. there are players who were drafted who have no talent and will definitely fail.

sorry, i thought actually having talent was enough to have people take a chance on me since i never have been arrested or been linked to a drug problem. i'm sure no one with my issues was drafted
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I get this, to a point, but with regard to item 3, shouldn't the locker room leadership come from the experienced QB? That's my knock on Bray--at some point, a real leader steps up and takes control of his team. He refused to do so. I know it's not his personality but that's why he sent viewed as a op prospect in the NFL.
 
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chavisut said:
If he had said 10/10 everybody would roll their eyes and give him the same kind of hell.
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Exactly.

From a draft stock standpoint, I still don't think another year here would have done him any good. Between the loss of two NFL quality WR's and the hiring of a coach who runs the spread option, a system in which Bray has no place, I actually think another year would have hurt his draft prospects. If he stays, you either force the coach to run a system with which he is unfamiliar to accommodate the QB, force a QB who is ill-fitted for the coach's actual system to try and make the best of it to accommodate the coach, or you have to bench Bray entirely. Just a bad situation all around. The only good that would have come from another year in Knoxville is that he would have probably left with a college degree, and given that he's just gone undrafted, that's nothing to turn your nose up at.
 
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Volinnooga said:
I get this, to a point, but with regard to item 3, shouldn't the locker room leadership come from the experienced QB? That's my knock on Bray--at some point, a real leader steps up and takes control of his team. He refused to do so. I know it's not his personality but that's why he sent viewed as a op prospect in the NFL.
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Blame Dooley for everthing. It is simpler & more concise. Blanket excuse.
 
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let's even address what people give up for known assets.

the cardinals traded a 2nd round pick and a pro bowl corner for kevin kolb.

the cardinals have fixed this problem with the acquisition of another known quantity, carson palmer. they gave up two draft picks for palmer

so, they have given up 3 draft picks and a pro bowl corner on two qb's. one sucks and the other has played 10 seasons and never won a playoff game.

that's right. carson palmer 0 playoff wins. tim tebow 1 playoff win. oh, and they both have started the same amount of playoff games.

i'm sure that tyler bray couldn't have made that team with brian hoyer, drew stanton, and ryan lindley backing up the great carson palmer.

but, that te from rutgers in the 7th round was too important to pass up
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
Exactly.

From a draft stock standpoint, I still don't think another year here would have done him any good. Between the loss of two NFL quality WR's and the hiring of a coach who runs the spread option, a system in which Bray has no place, I actually think another year would have hurt his draft prospects. If he stays, you either force the coach to run a system with which he is unfamiliar to accommodate the QB, force a QB who is ill-fitted for the coach's actual system to try and make the best of it to accommodate the coach, or you have to bench Bray entirely. Just a bad situation all around. The only good that would have come from another year in Knoxville is that he would have probably left with a college degree, and given that he's just gone undrafted, that's nothing to turn your nose up at.
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Coming back and proving he was an actual qb next year would not have helped? :lol: :eek:lol: :lol:
 
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Vol8188 said:
If he had a winning season, where he played well late in big games, and became a reliable leader, who studied film religiously...

He would have been a first round pick. He had he best arm in the draft, he just also happened to have the worst head.
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Nothing worst than "worst head".
 
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Dude obviously became radioactive. Too many QBs did get drafted that don't have near the arm he does.
 
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I hear all the arguments and I for one think for the sake of TN it was better for him to go. However for him and maybe for TN, Butch could have cleaned him up and if so, he would have started and Butch would have adjusted his system. Unless somebody came in that threw good and ran good, he would have started with that arm. I think he was worried, he would have been beaten out in the new system.
 
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