let's even address what people give up for known assets.
the cardinals traded a 2nd round pick and a pro bowl corner for kevin kolb.
the cardinals have fixed this problem with the acquisition of another known quantity, carson palmer. they gave up two draft picks for palmer
so, they have given up 3 draft picks and a pro bowl corner on two qb's. one sucks and the other has played 10 seasons and never won a playoff game.
that's right. carson palmer 0 playoff wins. tim tebow 1 playoff win. oh, and they both have started the same amount of playoff games.
i'm sure the tyler bray couldn't have made that team with brian hoyer, drew stanton, and ryan lindley backing up the great carson palmer.
but, that te from rutgers in the 7th round was too important to pass up
I hear all the arguments and I for one think for the sake of TN it was better for him to go.
He will make a team. But with all that talent and ability, merely making a team is small change. Bray should have worked himself into being a top 10 pick. The first qb in this or next years draft. But he did not work himself into that spot. Anyone with a football background (not just a blind fan) saw it clearly. Thus he was not drafted.
Brady would have been undrafted as a junior if he had erroneously came out early and he had actually won some games. What was Tyler thinking.
who is his agent? his upside (physical ability) is high enough that it's surprising a team didn't take a flyer on him with a mid to late round pick.
I'm thinking (a) his agent sucks; (b) he didn't interview well; or (c) his previous coaches threw him under the bus when asked about bray. or all of the above.
Bray is the perfect example of California talent. The tattoo said it all before he even arrived in Knoxville.
A Dumbass.
Snotty west coast guys like Bray should just stay over there. UT doesn't need 'em. They come here thinking they're better than everyone else, and they just don't understand the south at all.
I lived in San Diego, and people there are self-centered *******s. Beautiful place, awesome food, awesome beaches. Surreal, but not in any way close to life in Knoxville. It does matter, and I think it was one of his biggest problems.
Bray had entitlement, or so he thought..Surprise kid. The mock drafts for 2014 were wrong...
He was homesick right off the bat, probably b/c he couldn't kick it to the beach every weekend.
SEC football is not a hobby like surfing or skateboarding, it means everything over here.
Great arm. Had a chance to threaten Manning's records, even with our weak returning WR's.
Would've easily been a first round pick had he stayed and proven to scouts an improvement on attitude and leadership.
I think we would be 7-5 or 8-4 with him staying.
The only plus out of this...Coach Jones can use it as an example to the next kid who tries to jump early.
Stokes made the right decision!!!
i'll do a little exercise here and plead a case on behalf of mr. bray.
1. the physical talent is there. i think most agree on that. in the nfl, that typically trumps all at various points in the draft. i am not going to list all of the guys who were drafted who had character issues. they are numerous. and bray's issues don't involve drugs or a jail cell. but, these teams who research everything apparently didn't know erik ainge had a current drug problem or that danny wuerffel's arm wasn't strong enough, etc, etc, etc. or maybe they did and they were still drafted.
bottom line, someone drafted akili smith with the #3 overall pick. yet, tyler bray never was drafted.
2. what's so great about tennessee? again, think about this from bray's perspective.
year one. i start late my freshman year. probably my happiest year in knoxville.
year two. my offensive line can not run block. like on a comical level. yeah, it's fun slinging the ball around, but some help would be nice. oh, and i was injured.
year three. we fixed the offensive line. however, the defense decided to be this year's comedian. there were four occasions where we score 31 or more in conference games during the year and we lose those games. we gave up 48 to troy. i am the main guy people want to speak to in press conferences to explain why we are losing and i am the best damn thing going on this piece of crap squad.
after year three, coach moron is fired. while that's great, i have to deal with a new staff who is bringing in a new system. how much is he really going to worry about my future. i am a senior. we are going to get killed anyway. is he going to worry about the future of his program or is he going to worry about me? when the losses pile up (and they will), will he choose to bench me and move forward with the future of the program?
3. z. rogers, rivera, hunter, and patterson are all gone. well isnt that awesome
4. speaking of my attitude. surely people will remember i am 21 years old and my attitude can change. especially, if i am not put in a royally screwed up situation like tennessee where there was no leadership from the coaching staff and no leadership in the locker room. i mean who was i supposed to learn from about what it takes to be a great player. the minute i showed up to campus i was the best qb the school i had. my job was never threatened. it's hard for a young player to have the mental strength to put forward the extra effort when i am surrounded by a bunch of suck. so, yeah, excuse me if it got old being one of the few players who actually did his job at a reasonably high level and i didn't handle the culture of dooley very well.
5. it's still not going to be a good football team at tennessee.
6. it's a weak qb year in the nfl draft. really weak. like, somehow ryan nassib, tyler wilson and mike glennon were all rated ahead of me. do you really want to tell me that you'll draft bj daniels and a qb from southern utah over me because of immaturity at the age of 21. a 5th or 6th rounder is that much of a gamble?
3 kickers were drafted for crying out loud. from teams with a combined record of 17-31. teams that suck took picks on kickers, but there wasn't a team that would take a chance on da'rick rogers.
players may fail. but, that's not the point. there are players who were drafted who have no talent and will definitely fail.
sorry, i thought actually having talent was enough to have people take a chance on me since i never have been arrested or been linked to a drug problem. i'm sure no one with my issues was drafted
Bray is the perfect example of California talent. The tattoo said it all before he even arrived in Knoxville.
A Dumbass.
Snotty west coast guys like Bray should just stay over there. UT doesn't need 'em. They come here thinking they're better than everyone else, and they just don't understand the south at all.
I lived in San Diego, and people there are self-centered *******s. Beautiful place, awesome food, awesome beaches. Surreal, but not in any way close to life in Knoxville. It does matter, and I think it was one of his biggest problems.
Bray had entitlement, or so he thought..Surprise kid. The mock drafts for 2014 were wrong...
He was homesick right off the bat, probably b/c he couldn't kick it to the beach every weekend.
SEC football is not a hobby like surfing or skateboarding, it means everything over here.
Great arm. Had a chance to threaten Manning's records, even with our weak returning WR's.
Would've easily been a first round pick had he stayed and proven to scouts an improvement on attitude and leadership.
I think we would be 7-5 or 8-4 with him staying.
The only plus out of this...Coach Jones can use it as an example to the next kid who tries to jump early.
Stokes made the right decision!!!
If he had a winning season, where he played well late in big games, and became a reliable leader, who studied film religiously...
He would have been a first round pick. He had he best arm in the draft, he just also happened to have the worst head.
Coming back and proving he was an actual qb next year would not have helped? :lol: lol: :lol: