type of offense debate

[Eddie Vol Halen]

Seems clear to me that the spread offense is the next step in the evolution of american football. Or should say current step, it's rapidly "spreading" across the country. Programs that were traditionally average or worse are winning big with it, even with so-called less talented rosters than the big pro-style teams.

We held on to the pro-style too long, IMO. We missed the initial budding wave of growth when we fired Clawson, while other SEC programs like UF and AU made hay. Now the only SEC teams holding on to the Pro-Style is Georgia and Alabama, the two teams with the biggest recruiting advantages. USC and LSU may be technically pro-style, but they use a lot of spread formation concepts with mobile QB's. But again, those two have enjoyed higher than normal recruiting advantages under their current coaches. Going back to pro-style under kiffin and dooley put us further behind, IMO. Did the same thing to UF when they hired muschamp.

Spread formations and the rules changes to restrict defenses, have given the less talented player new advantages. And we weren't blessed with the same instate talent that Georgia, LSU and Bama has, so we need the spread to help level the playing field. And todays players love playing in a spread, which further helps with recruiting.

One of the most under-appreciated posts on Volnation in a long time.

It will be very difficult for UT to consistently out-recruit our rivals. The Clawson hire was actually immense forward thinking about the future of the program and embracing some big changes to equalize that reality. I think Clawson tried too much too soon, and I think he lost the UCLA game that year trying to get Crompton comfortable. Crompton had zero continuity, and in 2008 he played like it. We saw much the same this year - implementation of a whole new system from Day One; poor overall QB play.

I can certainly appreciate what BuJo is trying to implement on offense. I firmly believe the mobile QB is the most important weapon in NCAAF full stop. However, what I saw this year was the Clawfense in molasses, and I expect to see massive, massive improvements in Year Two or I'm going to be really worried.

 

[PineyBluff Vol]

he had a bad plant leg, a hurt thumb, and it was cold, which didn't help either one.
Should've put on a glove in the Vandy game. He couldn't hold onto the ball.

Like any good single malt...only gets better with age. This will help more than anything else!

 

[Vol8188]

This. So much of this. The zone blocking scheme is literally so easy I could teach it to a pee-wee player.

I know a lot of coaches who do.

 

[Burger]

One of the most under-appreciated posts on Volnation in a long time.

It will be very difficult for UT to consistently out-recruit our rivals. The Clawson hire was actually immense forward thinking about the future of the program and embracing some big changes to equalize that reality. I think Clawson tried too much too soon, and I think he lost the UCLA game that year trying to get Crompton comfortable. Crompton had zero continuity, and in 2008 he played like it. We saw much the same this year - implementation of a whole new system from Day One; poor overall QB play.

I can certainly appreciate what BuJo is trying to implement on offense. I firmly believe the mobile QB is the most important weapon in NCAAF full stop. However, what I saw this year was the Clawfense in molasses, and I expect to see massive, massive improvements in Year Two or I'm going to be really worried.

Just curious did you see any Bowling Green Games this year? His offense is almost masterful when its put together. That offense is very complicated with blocking schemes. I played in both a man scheme and a zone scheme in my life. The hardest part about zone is deciding when to double and scrape. The hardest part about man is Wtf do I do when something funny comes up ie blitzes.

 

[Eddie Vol Halen]

Just curious did you see any Bowling Green Games this year? His offense is almost masterful when its put together. That offense is very complicated with blocking schemes. I played in both a man scheme and a zone scheme in my life. The hardest part about zone is deciding when to double and scrape. The hardest part about man is Wtf do I do when something funny comes up ie blitzes.

I didn't see any BG this year except their CCG.

I think Kevin B. Dad was on the various Vol message boards at the time saying Clawson had come in and confused the hell out of everybody by trying to implement everything at once and see what stuck. I think there was some confidence in the RS Jr Crompton at first which clearly evaporated on game day.

Regardless, I think year two under Clawson would have seen immense gains. If we held course, remember, we would have been a 6 - 6 team in 2008 despite some of the worst QB play ever seen at UT. I think we've got to see massive improvement with Team 118 despite losing the offensive line.

 

[photovol]

If Butch is dead set on running the read option, he better find the talent neccessary to run it, starting with the QB..... I'm rooting for ol Butch to get it done, but he definately has the hardest job in the SEC for the next few years
Go Vols

 

[Trakentombstone]

My 100th post: Spread read option / singleback / I formation / and would love love for us to implement The Power T! (Wildcat Vol Version)

VoL PlAyBoOk :
Singleback
Spread with Read Option
The I formation
Power T
Pistol

 

[GAVol]

Butch's system is different than many of the other 'spread' offenses. The passing game is a west coast style with leveled progressions. The running game is a power running game from the gun. Instead of using a fullback , they use an H back . There are more receivers outside of the formation ...but they carry a defender out of the box . It is a zone blocking scheme , with traps , and pulls . It is very much a power running game just with less people in the box. Some may even call it a power running spread .

This offense is not predicated on the zone read play ...such as Oregon's offensive philosophy where each play is played off of the root play of the zone read . The zone read is only an aspect of this offense. A running QB is not necessary for this offense . When Worley handed off to the back ( and never kept the ball himself ) they were running a basic half back dive play . This is a staple play in virtually any power running game . It is not required for the QB to ever keep the ball or even carry out the fake to run this play.

I will say that a run oriented QB will be nice ...but it is not a zone read offense that you will see ..you will see a west coast passing game grounded in the 4 verticals philosophy and a tailback oriented power running game . The offense can be operated by any kind of QB as long as they can execute the passing concepts.

I wish more people understood all of that.

 

[Vol8188]

My 100th post: Spread read option / singleback / I formation / and would love love for us to implement The Power T! (Wildcat Vol Version)

VoL PlAyBoOk :
Singleback
Spread with Read Option
The I formation
Power T
Pistol

Lol so you want us to try to do some of everything, and be good at nothing.

 

[Trakentombstone]

No i want us to use the spread read and be great at it! I just added the others becuz we need variety why be predictable by running only two formations. Tennessee has always been a Run first team!
Lets get the offense we ran this year and execute it awesome!

 

[BeecherVol]

I wish more people understood all of that.

One thing that is rather confusing is why the read look was used so often this year with both QBs.

If it's essential a power run with the RB as the carrier we are slower then pond water with the exchange.

 

[majic73]

One thing that is rather confusing is why the read look was used so often this year with both QBs.

If it's essential a power run with the RB as the carrier we are slower then pond water with the exchange.

That is the play action part of it....which is more important in Butch's system than the QB keep and run.

My only point is that this offense is being confused with teams like Oregon , Auburn , and Urbies Gators. They are all in fact different and this offense ( when ran with a proficient QB ) is different than all of them .

Butches O - Power running spread , west coast passing game with a tone of play action It is not predicated off of the zone read ..that is only one of many counters plays in the power running game

Auburn : spread out Wing T , deception is the name of the game.

Oregon - a true zone read O . Every play is rooted in the zone read and every play is predicated off the base zone read

Tebow Gators - A spread out Wishbone with the QB being one of the running backs. Instead of bunched power backs ...you have spread out speed and hybrid receivers-RBs.

 

[butchna]

That is the play action part of it....which is more important in Butch's system than the QB keep and run.

My only point is that this offense is being confused with teams like Oregon , Auburn , and Urbies Gators. They are all in fact different and this offense ( when ran with a proficient QB ) is different than all of them .

Butches O - Power running spread , west coast passing game with a tone of play action It is not predicated off of the zone read ..that is only one of many counters plays in the power running game

Auburn : spread out Wing T , deception is the name of the game.

Oregon - a true zone read O . Every play is rooted in the zone read and every play is predicated off the base zone read

Tebow Gators - A spread out Wishbone with the QB being one of the running backs. Instead of bunched power backs ...you have spread out speed and hybrid receivers-RBs.

Hope you stay around these threads...best breakdown I've seen of these offenses...in lay terms...where does your insight come from?
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[Volosaurus rex]

Probably. I was referring to the guy's 3rd and 1 smash mouth football. During the era of the late 60's, I would go to the Student Center to pick up my student tickets , and sometimes they would be in or near the south endzone. From there, I could see the biggest holes opened in the line that I have ever seen.

You could actually have driven a large truck through some of the holes those guys opened. We ran and ran, and occasionally threw it to keep them honest. I would have to look it up, but I don't think that we lost but one home game while I was a student in 67-71 seasons. I was there for 2 extra quarters, so that made 5 fall seasons, and we lost to Auburn 10-9 in 1971 I think.

Your memory is correct. Those were very good years for Tennessee. Our home record (1967-1971) was 33-1-1, with the aforementioned one-point loss to Auburn in 1971 and a tie (17-17) with Georgia in the 1968 season opener.

 

[Eddie Vol Halen]

One thing that is rather confusing is why the read look was used so often this year with both QBs.

If it's essential a power run with the RB as the carrier we are slower then pond water with the exchange.

Can't be said enough. Every play looked like it evolved in molasses.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

No i want us to use the spread read and be great at it! I just added the others becuz we need variety why be predictable by running only two formations. Tennessee has always been a Run first team!
Lets get the offense we ran this year and execute it awesome!

But, but Auburn only has a couple of formations and they were supposed to reinvent offensive football as we know it.

 

[majic73]

Hope you stay around these threads...best breakdown I've seen of these offenses...in lay terms...where does your insight come from?
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Thanks ! I played QB in a Wing T many years ago . That make me no expert , but I love to study the game and understand it . I love the diversity of college ball and its evolution from the antique single wing stuff to the option game and then from pros style to spread .

I predict that after all the defenses catch up to the spread someone will pull the triple option veer our of moth balls and revolutionize the game all over again

 

[volnashun]

Sorry, I love smash mouth and it still works.

I think Jones' style is way more smash mouth than appeared this year. Smash mouth play doesn't come overnight for new coaching staffs imho. I really think this year we will see a more smash mouth program. don't you?

 

[majic73]

I think Jones' style is way more smash mouth than appeared this year. Smash mouth play doesn't come overnight for new coaching staffs imho. I really think this year we will see a more smash mouth program. don't you?

agreed . I think alot of his inability to do that was lack of TE play ..that includes great blocking and receiving. He will put a TE in Hback form out of the gun and then use him as a full back or a receiver .

Hes gotta get these young TEs to play ball to execute his offense

 

[RockyTop411]

I hate to say it, but I think Downs was our TE this year, and he got whipped.

what is the position of the Auburn FB that lines up behind the right or left tackle almost on the line of scrimmage, in front of the qb and rb? Is he technically a y, h, or FB?

 

[NashVOL93]

I hate to say it, but I think Downs was our TE this year, and he got whipped.

what is the position of the Auburn FB that lines up behind the right or left tackle almost on the line of scrimmage, in front of the qb and rb? Is he technically a y, h, or FB?

Jay Prosch, transfer from Illinois. He is an actual, honest-to-God FB. Gus likes to use him for that and then he likes to have him run a lot of wheel routes.