U.S. citizens kidnapped in Mexico

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sonofUT62 said:
Yes but then the problem only rests with people who choose to travel there. They aren’t coming to SW VA to kidnap people. But they have no problem shipping them fentanyl.
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if they can operate a drug trade deep in the US why wouldn't they try kidnapping?
 
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Okay, guys.. so now the story per CNN, is that this lady had five kids, wanted a tummy tuck, drove from South Carolina with her three guy friends to Mexico, where the Mexican drug cartel mistook them for Haitian drug dealers and started shooting at them
 
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VolinMichigan said:
I think Walmart, Ford, GM, Coca Cola and many other US companies all have huge interests in Mexico and would lobby hard against any kind of economic sanctions that would affect their operations there. So it won’t happen. And all politicians are ultimately beholden to their corporate overlords.
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I wrongly assumed people would understand the first idea was restricting private money wired between individuals.
 
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LadyVolette said:
Okay, guys.. so now the story per CNN, is that this lady had five kids, wanted a tummy tuck, drove from South Carolina with her three guy friends to Mexico, where the Mexican drug cartel mistook them for Haitian drug dealers and started shooting at them
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They've been on that angle since the very beginning. I my first thought was what would Haitians be doing operating in Mexico? Maybe they do but I've certainly never heard of anything like that...... But I'm not an expert either.

Maybe someone CNN consults with thought it possible and floated the ideas......
 
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LouderVol said:
if they can operate a drug trade deep in the US why wouldn't they try kidnapping?
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Well for 1) MOST of the people they are selling drugs to for 40 dollars a pop can’t afford a 10K ransom. They would have to only target wealthy marks. 2 I would imagine that the logistics of kidnapping someone are 5x what dropping off drugs consists of. You have to snatch a US citizen on US soil without injuring them or getting caught. Hold them without injuring them or getting caught and return them without injuring them or getting caught. I’m sure that they aren’t going to get day jobs if the drug money dries up. But I would think they would be more likely to get involved in art theft or gun running. Just my opinion.
 
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KB5252 said:
They've been on that angle since the very beginning. I my first thought was what would Haitians be doing operating in Mexico? Maybe they do but I've certainly never heard of anything like that...... But I'm not an expert either.

Maybe someone CNN consults with thought it possible and floated the ideas......
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Apparently the new cartel thing (per news stories anyway) is to subcontract dirty work and muling and such to Haitians. They're just grunts to the cartels.
 
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GVF said:
Apparently the new cartel thing (per news stories anyway) is to subcontract dirty work and muling and such to Haitians. They're just grunts to the cartels.
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Interesting, where are the corridors the Haitians use? Certainly not the Mexican/US border. That would be rather obvious and easily sniffed out.
 
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LadyVolette said:
Okay, guys.. so now the story per CNN, is that this lady had five kids, wanted a tummy tuck, drove from South Carolina with her three guy friends to Mexico, where the Mexican drug cartel mistook them for Haitian drug dealers and started shooting at them
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That's been the story since day one.
 
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KB5252 said:
Interesting, where are the corridors the Haitians use? Certainly not the Mexican/US border. That would be rather obvious and easily sniffed out.
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Not sure of too much specifics. Just saw the segment where they said cartels are using Haitians for alot of grunt work, and making an assumption of the vics photos is probably how they were mistaken for haitians. If indeed it was truly mistaken idenity. But, you still have 3 guys and a gal going for a tummy tuck in a region not known for plastic surgery. And women of that culture are not typically associated with tummy tucks. Their story leaves a lot to question. But, cartels being what they are, I'm sure it's just as easily a plausible story.
 
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sonofUT62 said:
Well for 1) MOST of the people they are selling drugs to for 40 dollars a pop can’t afford a 10K ransom. They would have to only target wealthy marks. 2 I would imagine that the logistics of kidnapping someone are 5x what dropping off drugs consists of. You have to snatch a US citizen on US soil without injuring them or getting caught. Hold them without injuring them or getting caught and return them without injuring them or getting caught. I’m sure that they aren’t going to get day jobs if the drug money dries up. But I would think they would be more likely to get involved in art theft or gun running. Just my opinion.
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you are right they are going to be targeting the rich. so they won't need to kidnap nearly as many people as they sold drugs to to keep their profits up. they already have a nationwide system of storing, transporting, and selling drugs that our nation can't effectively track. I don't see it becoming too much logistical changing needed to keep a person for a couple days vs keeping their drugs for a couple days.

they know how to covertly operate in this nation already, that gives them pretty good flexibility.
 
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LouderVol said:
you are right they are going to be targeting the rich. so they won't need to kidnap nearly as many people as they sold drugs to to keep their profits up. they already have a nationwide system of storing, transporting, and selling drugs that our nation can't effectively track. I don't see it becoming too much logistical changing needed to keep a person for a couple days vs keeping their drugs for a couple days.

they know how to covertly operate in this nation already, that gives them pretty good flexibility.
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All of that’s true. I saw an interview that P Escobar gave where talked about his start in the game….kidnapping. He made a comment that flying an inanimate object to another country was a lot less hassle than dealing with people. He basically said he could get rich by kidnapping but not CARTEL rich. But everything you said is true too. So who knows.
 
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sonofUT62 said:
All of that’s true. I saw an interview that P Escobar gave where talked about his start in the game….kidnapping. He made a comment that flying an inanimate object to another country was a lot less hassle than dealing with people. He basically said he could get rich by kidnapping but not CARTEL rich. But everything you said is true too. So who knows.
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I agree. It wont be as profitable. But I dont see them shutting down if their drug revenue magically dried up.
 
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Five Gulf Cartel assassins who kidnapped The Tummy Tuck Four - killing two - are tied up and dumped in the street with a note from cartel bosses APOLOGIZING to the four South Carolina families

Five Gulf Cartel assassins who kidnapped four Americans and killed two have been tied up and dumped in the street by narco bosses.

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Members (pictured) of the Gulf Cartel's Scorpions Group were abandoned on a Matamoros street and accused by the criminal organization of being behind last Friday's kidnapping of four Americans, including two who were killed. A Mexican woman was also shot dead during the incident

Mexican cartel turns in five members who kidnapped four Americans | Daily Mail Online
 
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Franklin Pierce said:
Five Gulf Cartel assassins who kidnapped The Tummy Tuck Four - killing two - are tied up and dumped in the street with a note from cartel bosses APOLOGIZING to the four South Carolina families

Five Gulf Cartel assassins who kidnapped four Americans and killed two have been tied up and dumped in the street by narco bosses.

68518349-11840535-image-a-8_1678380645475.jpg

Members (pictured) of the Gulf Cartel's Scorpions Group were abandoned on a Matamoros street and accused by the criminal organization of being behind last Friday's kidnapping of four Americans, including two who were killed. A Mexican woman was also shot dead during the incident

Mexican cartel turns in five members who kidnapped four Americans | Daily Mail Online
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lol.
 
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I doubt the men that are responsible are still alive. These are likely scape goats. No way they'd allow anyone who knows anything to be given to authorities.
 
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