U.S. Has UFOs of 'Non-Human Origin', Ex-Intelligence Officer Claims

[LouderVol]

Yes. Our sudden jumps into the early transistor tech, and subsequent miniaturization of device components, were indeed sudden, not incremental. So too, the circuit board supplanting vacuum tubes and bulky wiring in computers. Most of the alien tech remains held from the public for military reasons. However, very soon we will see fossil fuel free aircraft powered by magnetic induction utilizing the Earth's magnet field flight motion in any direction the pilots choose. Without the need for the need for gradual acceleration, and deceleration. All this stuff is the result of reverse engineering alien tech.

tell me you don't know what you are talking about without telling me you don't know what you are talking about. seriously, you think we went directly from the room size ENIACs to hand held cell phones? how long was it "supposed" to take?

the vacuum tubes were the first, depending on when you want to say computers "started" vacuum tubes were employed from 1910 to about 1950. vacuum tubes allowed information to flow in "1D". in the late 1940s the first transistors came with "2D" layouts, they became commercially available in the 1950s. then from the 50s to the 60s you could get the first "integrated circuits" with multiple transistors combined together. then into the 70s was the first microprocessors which were essentially the first CPUs that we think of today. somewhere along the way they figured out how to use the middle state vs just "off" or "on", creating a "3D" way for information to be handled.

Moores law in the 60s stated we were going to be able to double the processing power of computers every 18 months. and I still think we are pretty much doing that. thats hardly being "sudden".

each one of those steps was either getting more processing power in the same area, or using less space for the same processing. eventually those efforts combined and you get more processing power in your pocket now than could fit in an entire room before.

and thats not unique to computing either, ever since the industrial revolution started we have been figuring out better ways to do the same thing. whether thats smaller, lighter, cheaper or faster. you could even think about even the extreme basics as a miniaturization. going from rocks to bronze allowed us to use less materials, that were stronger, and lighter. then from bronze to iron, and iron to steel, and steel to plastics. buildings its the same thing. we went from building everything out of stone and concrete to using lighter materials because we got smarter with material sciences and figured out better ways to do things.

 

[WoodsmanVol]

tell me you don't know what you are talking about without telling me you don't know what you are talking about. seriously, you think we went directly from the room size ENIACs to hand held cell phones? how long was it "supposed" to take?

the vacuum tubes were the first, depending on when you want to say computers "started" vacuum tubes were employed from 1910 to about 1950. vacuum tubes allowed information to flow in "1D". in the late 1940s the first transistors came with "2D" layouts, they became commercially available in the 1950s. then from the 50s to the 60s you could get the first "integrated circuits" with multiple transistors combined together. then into the 70s was the first microprocessors which were essentially the first CPUs that we think of today. somewhere along the way they figured out how to use the middle state vs just "off" or "on", creating a "3D" way for information to be handled.

Moores law in the 60s stated we were going to be able to double the processing power of computers every 18 months. and I still think we are pretty much doing that. thats hardly being "sudden".

each one of those steps was either getting more processing power in the same area, or using less space for the same processing. eventually those efforts combined and you get more processing power in your pocket now than could fit in an entire room before.

and thats not unique to computing either, ever since the industrial revolution started we have been figuring out better ways to do the same thing. whether thats smaller, lighter, cheaper or faster. you could even think about even the extreme basics as a miniaturization. going from rocks to bronze allowed us to use less materials, that were stronger, and lighter. then from bronze to iron, and iron to steel, and steel to plastics. buildings its the same thing. we went from building everything out of stone and concrete to using lighter materials because we got smarter with material sciences and figured out better ways to do things.

You're cute when you try to be cute. Coochie, coochie, coochie. You still didn't prove we didn't reverse engineer our sudden jumps in technology. Further, Werner Braun is on record for admitted that in the closing years of WWII, German scientists, OK, rocket scientists got help from "them."

Meanwhile, believe what you wish, I will do the same. Despite you trying to cram your wish down my throat.

 

[LouderVol]

You're cute when you try to be cute. Coochie, coochie, coochie. You still didn't prove we didn't reverse engineer our sudden jumps in technology. Further, Werner Braun is on record for admitted that in the closing years of WWII, German scientists, OK, rocket scientists got help from "them."

Meanwhile, believe what you wish, I will do the same. Despite you trying to cram your wish down my throat.

you need to prove that we didn't reverse engineer it from the spaghetti monster that lives under the ocean. Can't do it can you?

the german scientists got alien help but were less than a decade ahead of the USSR, and at best only a couple years ahead of the west? The Brits had a functional fighter jet in 1943, the 262 fell in mid 1942. The allies had various guided munitions as well. We invented the nuclear bomb before they did.

 

[WoodsmanVol]

you need to prove that we didn't reverse engineer it from the spaghetti monster that lives under the ocean. Can't do it can you?

the german scientists got alien help but were less than a decade ahead of the USSR, and at best only a couple years ahead of the west? The Brits had a functional fighter jet in 1943, the 262 fell in mid 1942. The allies had various guided munitions as well. We invented the nuclear bomb before they did.

You first, cutie, you first. Ole Werner already admitted it.
O think your goal is just see who can shout louder, dear LouderVol.

 

[LouderVol]

You first, cutie, you first. Ole Werner already admitted it.
O think your goal is just see who can shout louder, dear LouderVol.

I think your goal is to claim outrageous things to make yourself seem smarter to your conspiracy buddies than you actually are. you aren't doing any critical thinking, you are just buying someone else's "official" story.

again if he was getting alien support on stuff why was the rest of the world so close behind him? He was in the lead, definitely super smart, but its not like he created something completely without precedence.

fwiw, and I know you will ignore it, the "them" he mentions getting help from was the scientists who came before him, including some of the Jewish ones he couldn't mention in Nazi society.

the whole alien inspiration behind NASA and the USA growth was Cold War propaganda to make the USSR afraid. They weren't afraid of what the weak capitalists could make, but if those same capitalists had some unfair advantage, like reverse engineering alien space craft or technology? Woo, better not try to nuke them. The USSR did pretty much the same thing. in war the first casualty is the truth.

 

[WoodsmanVol]

I think your goal is to claim outrageous things to make yourself seem smarter to your conspiracy buddies than you actually are. you aren't doing any critical thinking, you are just buying someone else's "official" story.

again if he was getting alien support on stuff why was the rest of the world so close behind him? He was in the lead, definitely super smart, but its not like he created something completely without precedence.

fwiw, and I know you will ignore it, the "them" he mentions getting help from was the scientists who came before him, including some of the Jewish ones he couldn't mention in Nazi society.

the whole alien inspiration behind NASA and the USA growth was Cold War propaganda to make the USSR afraid. They weren't afraid of what the weak capitalists could make, but if those same capitalists had some unfair advantage, like reverse engineering alien space craft or technology? Woo, better not try to nuke them. The USSR did pretty much the same thing. in war the first casualty is the truth.

Look, like I said before. Believe what you wish, I will do the same. Unlike you, I don't try to cram what I believe down other people's throats.
"them", liar! He was talking to the MUFON people in the Library of Congress at the time. He even pointed at the section that held files about UAP, alien contacts, etc. to emphasize what he was talking about. Why not just go one believing what you do, leave me to believe what I do, and stop Louding just be loud?

 

[LouderVol]

Look, like I said before. Believe what you wish, I will do the same. Unlike you, I don't try to cram what I believe down other people's throats.
"them", liar! He was talking to the MUFON people in the Library of Congress at the time. He even pointed at the section that held files about UAP, alien contacts, etc. to emphasize what he was talking about. Why not just go one believing what you do, leave me to believe what I do, and stop Louding just be loud?

lol, you were the first one to bring up what you believed. I responded to you.

do you even believe your own nonsense?

 

[WoodsmanVol]

lol, you were the first one to bring up what you believed. I responded to you.

do you even believe your own nonsense?

There is it, YOU decided to respond to a post that wasn't specifically directed at you. You just admitted you love Loudering.

 

[LouderVol]

There is it, YOU decided to respond to a post that wasn't specifically directed at you. You just admitted you love Loudering.

you know you are on a PUBLIC MESSAGE board. that is how they work. you didn't quote anyone else, you didn't @ anyone else, there was no reason to think you were aiming your conversation at anyone particular.

you were yelling into the air on a busy street corner, can't be shocked that someone heard you and responded.

I like pointing out bad arguments, and while some disagree I don't even mind it when my own bad arguments are pointed out. this was more of the first rather than the second. If logic, reason, and at least internally consistent arguments is "loudering" I will take it. its almost as gratifying as when I get labeled maga and communist in the same thread.

 

[WoodsmanVol]

you know you are on a PUBLIC MESSAGE board. that is how they work. you didn't quote anyone else, you didn't @ anyone else, there was no reason to think you were aiming your conversation at anyone particular.

you were yelling into the air on a busy street corner, can't be shocked that someone heard you and responded.

I like pointing out bad arguments, and while some disagree I don't even mind it when my own bad arguments are pointed out. this was more of the first rather than the second. If logic, reason, and at least internally consistent arguments is "loudering" I will take it. its almost as gratifying as when I get labeled maga and communist in the same thread.

He is, yelling, louder, louder, and louder. Soldier, soldier, without a war to fight. Yelling, yelling, with all his might.
Still trying to cram your belief down my throat, eh? Of course, you are. Had your say, had my say, but that's not good
enough for a LouderMouth.

 

[TVOLS]

Seems you guys have board history so I'm staying out of that, but I am curious @LouderVol what's your take on the current (ex) .gov employees who have come forward testifying under oath that the US .gov had/has a crash retrieval program that dates back more than likely longer than any of us have been alive?

 

[LouderVol]

Seems you guys have board history so I'm staying out of that, but I am curious @LouderVol what's your take on the current (ex) .gov employees who have come forward testifying under oath that the US .gov has had/has a crash retrieval program that dates back more than likely longer than any of us have been alive?

tl;dr incoming

no real history. I am just stubborn/autistic enough to engage with his crazy while everyone else ignores. He tends to lash out rather than engage in actual conversations.

I am pretty ambivalent. I know there is alien life out there. I am even accepting of there being intelligent life out there, and them having visited our planet at some point in some fashion. Drones make much more sense than crewed craft imo. but that only considers the exploration factor, and not others which have been claimed. Scientific, conquering, infiltrating our governments would likely be better with a crew than a drone.

I don't the steady process in which technology has grown to be significant enough where alien design is necessary to explain it. There are very very very few things that would jump out enough to suggest a monumental leap that requires outside influence. Wernher von Braun was a genius in his field, but didn't work alone, and nothing he created changed the war. I would think real alien tech would.

the way von Braun's rockets worked is to consume an ethanol/water based energy source in a manner that only works in an atmosphere, not the vacuum of space which makes alien influence unlikely. and it was a fuel source already in use the world over. his later stuff with Nasa that worked in space was a different design of the engine itself, as well as a different fuel source. but it all worked off the previous work he had done with the Nazis. There were tons of minor improvements over time. Woodsman wants to pretend technology went from the V2 to the Saturn rockets over night, and ignores everything else we did, as well as the rest of the world who wouldn't have the same alien influence.

I had an uncle that worked for NASA and their rockets. he even earned the Silver Snoopy metal for his contributions. not sure if I was interested in space before getting old enough to talk with him about his work. but his first hand information and the research he inspired in me give me enough reason to push back on Woodsman here.

now do we have actual craft, sure maybe. but the technology commercially available doesn't lend itself to me thinking we needed some advanced alien tech to create it. I would expect more "unusual" type of technological growth in multiple fields, not just computers or rockets, if we were really reverse engineering something. also whatever propulsion they would use would be one of the more complicated aspects of the craft, so it seems suspicious that it was the first thing we allegedly figured out to the point of commercial availability, doesn't really make sense to me.

 

[WoodsmanVol]

tl;dr incoming

no real history. I am just stubborn/autistic enough to engage with his crazy while everyone else ignores. He tends to lash out rather than engage in actual conversations.

I am pretty ambivalent. I know there is alien life out there. I am even accepting of there being intelligent life out there, and them having visited our planet at some point in some fashion. Drones make much more sense than crewed craft imo. but that only considers the exploration factor, and not others which have been claimed. Scientific, conquering, infiltrating our governments would likely be better with a crew than a drone.

I don't the steady process in which technology has grown to be significant enough where alien design is necessary to explain it. There are very very very few things that would jump out enough to suggest a monumental leap that requires outside influence. Wernher von Braun was a genius in his field, but didn't work alone, and nothing he created changed the war. I would think real alien tech would.

the way von Braun's rockets worked is to consume an ethanol/water based energy source in a manner that only works in an atmosphere, not the vacuum of space which makes alien influence unlikely. and it was a fuel source already in use the world over. his later stuff with Nasa that worked in space was a different design of the engine itself, as well as a different fuel source. but it all worked off the previous work he had done with the Nazis. There were tons of minor improvements over time. Woodsman wants to pretend technology went from the V2 to the Saturn rockets over night, and ignores everything else we did, as well as the rest of the world who wouldn't have the same alien influence.

I had an uncle that worked for NASA and their rockets. he even earned the Silver Snoopy metal for his contributions. not sure if I was interested in space before getting old enough to talk with him about his work. but his first hand information and the research he inspired in me give me enough reason to push back on Woodsman here.

now do we have actual craft, sure maybe. but the technology commercially available doesn't lend itself to me thinking we needed some advanced alien tech to create it. I would expect more "unusual" type of technological growth in multiple fields, not just computers or rockets, if we were really reverse engineering something. also whatever propulsion they would use would be one of the more complicated aspects of the craft, so it seems suspicious that it was the first thing we allegedly figured out to the point of commercial availability, doesn't really make sense to me.

Regarding the last paragraph, capitalism is the god of this country. Make money, lots of it, fast as possible, by any means necessary, or unnecessary. That's why the easiest Things to figure out came first. You're my hero LouderVol because you're such fun.

 

[jmacvols1]

These drones causing an uproar in New jersey currently and now has the FBI involved I would guess it would take a local citizen with a 12ga Hornady number 6 shot (some videos drones flying low) to actually find out who they belong to or if they hover longer enough any caliber deer rifle should do the trick.

 

[Orangeburst]

we are governed by morons

 

[volinbham]

we are governed by morons

Obligatory Orange Empire quote: "government = failure"

 

[marcusluvsvols]

Obligatory Orange Empire quote: "government = failure"

I miss OE. Havent seen dude in a very long time. He was sharp.

 

[Orangeburst]

I miss OE. Havent seen dude in a very long time. He was sharp.

too bad you got stuck with me

 

[hjeagle1vol]

Tr3b

 

[volsforever27]

I miss OE. Havent seen dude in a very long time. He was sharp.

Thoughts?

 

[marcusluvsvols]

Thoughts?

About what in particular?

 

[volsforever27]

About what in particular?

Lol sorry. That’s what OE used to put on all of his posts.

 

[WoodsmanVol]

Actually, ole LouderVol and I do have a history, as is true for several others here. The problem with them is two fold.
1. I'm not a Trump automaton like them.
2. I don't back down from the MAGA bullying, instead make fun of them.
This vexes the living heck out of them, so they come after me, which is when the real fun begins.

 

[LouderVol]

Regarding the last paragraph, capitalism is the god of this country. Make money, lots of it, fast as possible, by any means necessary, or unnecessary. That's why the easiest Things to figure out came first. You're my hero LouderVol because you're such fun.

the easiest things were the propulsion system and the circuitry on a hyper advanced alien craft?

I would assume the material sciences, like any new compounds, alloys, fuels, but also physical structures, bonding processes.

then I would assume any mechanical systems, even in the digital age you still have to "engineer" those materials into useful forms and they have to have the ability to move. something from one place into another.

I could see circuity coming after that. but that should come with any number of other advancements that comes from understanding how their technology works. communication devices, detection devices, internal wiring or wireless systems. you would also probably have some advanced type of crew/ship interaction especially if they were traveling near light speed.

propulsion would come pretty much near the end except for any shields/warp technology, the type of things truly outside our understanding of science.

we haven't seen any of that. or at the very least if we have the entire world is in on the bit too.

 

[marcusluvsvols]

Lol sorry. That’s what OE used to put on all of his posts.

Sorry bud it flew right over my head. May have even buzzed the tower Top Gun style.