U.S. Launches Millitary Strike Against Syria (merged)

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ClearwaterVol said:
Question - Many on this board questioned Obama's leadership as it relates to the Syrian cause. Putin was brought up many times as a great leader who would have had a stronger better reaction. It appears that Putin is not going to have a strong reaction to this incident besides running his mouth. What do you think of Putin now? Is he a paper tiger?
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I have questioned Obama's leadership on a great many things, Syria included in that. And FTR, I never said Putin was a "great" leader, but a skilled and strong one that jumped right into the vacuum left by Obama when he abdicated the US role as a world leader. But make no mistake, Putin is as smart as they come.

And on this one, Putin is probably smart enough to know Trump isn't going to back down. A paper tiger? No, certainly not. But intelligent enough to know when he comes across someone he can't push around like Obama. At this point in the world stage, Putin can be an equal of the US, China and others. But he cannot be the bully he would probably like to be.

Rhetoric is expected at this stage in the game. I would be more worried if Putin didn't say anything.
 
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#284
Thanks.

I'm just trying to figure out if the Russian ship on its way there is to support us or deter us...
 
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Obsessed said:
Thanks.

I'm just trying to figure out if the Russian ship on its way there is to support us or deter us...
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My guess, deter. But who knows, I mean Trump is supposed to be Putin's butt buddy.
 
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hog88 said:
Half the missiles missed.
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Hog, I never said that. Here was my post:

Originally Posted by OuterBanksVol View Post
So Russia is claiming that only 23 out the 59 missiles launched actually hit the airbase. I think they're probably right (but exaggerating) that a significant number didn't make it and/or missed their target.
 
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BearCat204 said:
AB class DD's
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Ross is a Flight I DD that still has the SM-2 Standard system, but the Porter is a Flight II that's been upgraded with the SM-3 system.

Though I'm not sure how well either work with inbound sea-skimmers.
 
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OuterBanksVol said:
Hog, I never said that. Here was my post:

Originally Posted by OuterBanksVol View Post
So Russia is claiming that only 23 out the 59 missiles launched actually hit the airbase. I think they're probably right (but exaggerating) that a significant number didn't make it and/or missed their target.
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What other crazy "conspiracy theories" you guys think I subscribe to? Seriously. Here to talk and learn like everyone else.
 
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We really shouldn't be too quick to dismiss claims of a false flag or calls to look into what happened in much greater detail. False flag incidents or miscalculations by one party leading to a broader conflict are not unprecedented.

Gulf of Tonkin immediately comes to mind.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I have questioned Obama's leadership on a great many things, Syria included in that. And FTR, I never said Putin was a "great" leader, but a skilled and strong one that jumped right into the vacuum left by Obama when he abdicated the US role as a world leader. But make no mistake, Putin is as smart as they come.

And on this one, Putin is probably smart enough to know Trump isn't going to back down. A paper tiger? No, certainly not. But intelligent enough to know when he comes across someone he can't push around like Obama. At this point in the world stage, Putin can be an equal of the US, China and others. But he cannot be the bully he would probably like to be.

Rhetoric is expected at this stage in the game. I would be more worried if Putin didn't say anything.
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Some additional food for thought.

Most standing armies that are considered near peer are largely made up of conscripts. Technologically, they are inferior. However, Russia has made strides with the development of new Main Battle Tanks and upgrading their Air Force. We still have the numbers advantage in platforms available and in Naval supremacy.
 
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OuterBanksVol said:
So Russia is claiming that only 23 out the 59 missiles launched actually hit the airbase. I think they're probably right (but exaggerating) that a significant number didn't make it and/or missed their target. Look at the following video, and you'll see some untouched planes in bunkers not hit by missiles. One would have to assume that we actually launched enough missiles to actually take out every fortified plane bunker, at a minimum.

http://www.smh.com.au/video/video-n...-syrian-air-base-released-20170407-4sp38.html

Plus, having received a heads-up from the Russians, it would appear that the Syrians managed to move some of their planes out from their protected bunkers. Check out this Russian MOD drone footage that shows at least 5 Syrian migs sitting out of their bunkers at an odd location by the side of a runway.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2DU6iw0zoQ

Again, I get the reason why we gave the Russians warning, but the net result is that we'd really need to strike them again in order to affect their ability to launch more air strikes. And if there is a next time, will the Russians have their air defense systems up-and-running?
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OuterBanksVol said:
Hog, I never said that. Here was my post:

Originally Posted by OuterBanksVol View Post
So Russia is claiming that only 23 out the 59 missiles launched actually hit the airbase. I think they're probably right (but exaggerating) that a significant number didn't make it and/or missed their target.
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This is disingenuous at best, you clearly have suggested that many of our missiles missed and we should watch the video at all the targets we missed.....because why would we execute a missile strike and not take out all those planes
 
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Orangedogsrule said:
Putin's claim is it was an ISIL/ISIS/Syrian Rebel setup perfectly timed and made to appear as if Assad's regime gassed Syrians.
Russia has had to deal with Islam and Islamic fundamentalists far more directly than the US ever has. Now Russia (Putin) has chosen to back Assad. Why?

Unassailable proof of a rebel plot to use sarin and blame the current Assad regime, as is what Putin alleges, would have to be exposed for Putin to come out of this without losing face in the international community. He now has to produce or Russia appears complicit or just damn stupid.
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As a part of an earlier agreement putin had oversight in removal of Assad's chemical weapons. The CW attack damages putins credibilty and demonstrates the fact that he is not to be trusted. Reagan said "Trust but verify".
 
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Grand Vol said:
The least you could do is actually put the NYT link up so I don't have to search for it. However, find it I did.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/01/world/middleeast/syria.html

From that same article:



But wait! There's more from this linked offer!
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None of that detracts from the fact that the GOP Congress, and Trump himself, decried THIS EXACT SAME ACT when it would have come from Obama.

You cannot dismiss the hypocrisy on that point.

Also, you are watching too much Shark Tank.
 
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