U.S. Launches Millitary Strike Against Syria (merged)

Do you agree with Trump's decision to strike Syria?

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#151
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Imagine voting for Trump and getting after all that: 1. Paul Ryan Healthcare 2. Tax cuts for billionaires 3. Pointless war in the Middle East 4. As many refugees entering the country as Obama/Bush

Looks like I may have been played. I am still holding out hope for some tax cuts, but I am devoid of hope moving forward after last night.
 
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Pacer92 said:
Again, there is no direct proof of Assad being behind this. This very same scenario happened in Ghouta in 2013 and UN inspectors confirmed that it wasn't Assad...

Why are people so eager to swallow these claims?
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Because they want to believe that the US is a white knight good guy who is "fighting for freedom" in every scenario.

The more amoral reality is that the United States intervenes to defend its strategic interests, which is no different from any other nation.

In the case of this specific strike, I don't think there is any real strategic objective. It's mostly a PR stunt to show that the United States can still act (since the previous administration made a threat regarding Syria and whiffed after that) and to try and change the narrative about Trump and Russia.
 
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05_never_again said:
Because they want to believe that the US is a white knight good guy who is "fighting for freedom" in every scenario.

The more amoral reality is that the United States intervenes to defend its strategic interests, which is no different from any other nation.

In the case of this specific strike, I don't think there is any real strategic objective. It's mostly a PR stunt to show that the United States can still act (since the previous administration made a threat regarding Syria and whiffed after that) and to try and change the narrative about Trump and Russia.
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With other countries such as North Korea growing bolder by the day I'd love to think Assad was behind the attack and we responded with this strike to put the fear back in said countries to prevent future attacks.

But...
 
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Hayezb said:
With other countries such as North Korea growing bolder by the day I'd love to think Assad was behind the attack and we responded with this strike to put the fear back in said countries to prevent future attacks.

But...
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Pretty much the way I feel. Or should I say hope.
 
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OuterBanksVol said:
So if your jerk neighbor tells you in advance that he's gonna run over your mail box with his car, and then he gets in his car and runs over your mail box, you're OK with that because he gave you advanced warning? :thud:
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It wasn't the Russian's mailbox
 
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utvols88 said:
Likely. We didn't directly attack Russian property. Again, the analogy is ****.
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Dude, are you playing a game of word semantics with "property"? Nobody has suggested anything about bombing Russian-owned *land*, but the Russians along with their military equipment are intertwined with Syria's, and likely their stuff was at the airfield.

This was someone's "property"... not anymore...

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Vol8188 said:
That's not the only way to deliver chemical weapons and the rebels are the only side who it's been proven that they have used chemical weapons in this conflict
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True but some of the exposed people to the gas that could talk clearly says a fixed wing aircraft flew over and they seen it release it.
 
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OuterBanksVol said:
Dude, are you playing a game of word semantics with "property"? Nobody has suggested anything about bombing Russian-owned *land*, but the Russians along with their military equipment are intertwined with Syria's, and likely their stuff was at the airfield.
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Which is why we warned them.
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
Again, They don't have fixed wing aircraft 5o b3 able to deliver chemical bombs.
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Yeah, that's the problem with saying this is a false flag. The chemical weapons were delivered behind enemy (rebel) lines via fighter jets. The Syrian or Russian Air Forces should be the only ones capable of doing this.

What I can't figure out is exactly why Assad would do this now. Perhaps a rogue general? I do wonder what kind of command and control Assad has over his entire military at this point.
 
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OuterBanksVol said:
Dude, are you playing a game of word semantics with "property"? Nobody has suggested anything about bombing Russian-owned *land*, but the Russians along with their military equipment are intertwined with Syria's, and likely their stuff was at the airfield.
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too bad huh.
 
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OuterBanksVol said:
Did the Syrian military have warning?

Syrian military officials appeared to anticipate Thursday's night raid on Syria 's Shayrat airbase, evacuating personnel and moving equipment ahead of the strike, according to an eyewitness to the strike, ABC News is reporting.

Yet, Trump scolded reporters two days before, telling them he wasn't going to tell anyone what he was going to do militarily. The president made his remarks during a press conference at the White House on Wednesday with King Abdullah II of Jordan.

“I’m not saying I’m doing anything one way or the other, but I’m certainly not going to be telling you,” Trump said.

So, just to play devil's advocate, if our goal was to actually really hurt Syria militarily, didn't Trump defeat that purpose by giving Russia a heads-up that we were attacking the Syrian airbase? If we gave the Russians *enough time* to get their personnel out of harm's way, then didn't that also allow Syria time to potentially scramble some of their jets? If these are military pilots, many of them were likely on the base and capable of scrambling their jet off the base in a matter of minutes... that's what they're designed to do.

The initial number of destroyed jets I've read is 9. This airbase had far more than that onsite.

Seems to me this demonstrates that our missile strike was more a 'show of power' than a real attempt to really harm the Syrian air force. Yep. We're still the freshest smelling military on the face of the Earth, by God.
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05_never_again said:
Yeah, that's the problem with saying this is a false flag. The chemical weapons were delivered behind enemy (rebel) lines via fighter jets. The Syrian or Russian Air Forces should be the only ones capable of doing this.

What I can't figure out is exactly why Assad would do this now. Perhaps a rogue general? I do wonder what kind of command and control Assad has over his entire military at this point.
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There is video of a guy giving an interview about the chemical attack in a HOSPITAL. You can clearly hear a jet and then the bomb hits the HOSPITAL. Assad does this all the time.

The true problem here is the UN and NATO are both a joke.
 
#172
#172
I'm unsure. My reasonings:

• I don't like the idea of getting involved in Syrian conflict
• If we take out Assad the place is going to turn into a cesspool of jihadis just like Iraq
• I'm not 100% convinced Assad used the chemical weapons as I don't see what he has to gain from it.
• We know there are a lot of players that would like Assad gone so I don't think it is out of the realm of possibility that this was a set up
• However, if Assad did use chemical weapons it is hard to simply ignore it
• It's obvious at this point NATO is worthless and basically a limp ###k
 
#173
#173
Politically, what do you all make of Trump not seeking Congressional approval? Obama was warned by the GOP that he needed to seek it in 2013 and told he would get it. But when he did so in 2013, the GOP Congress turned him down. Now a GOP president goes ahead and strikes, without GOP Congressional approval. And of course Trump in 2013 joined the chorus of people saying Obama needed Congressional approval before a strike.

What this looks like, of course, is that the GOP withheld the okay for it in 2013 purely for political reasons, to make Obama look bad. Same with Trump then.

Now that Trump has done this without seeking approval, shouldn't the GOP Congress be screaming that Trump did this without the authorization they and Trump demanded Obama seek first, in 2013 ?
 
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So Russia is claiming that only 23 out the 59 missiles launched actually hit the airbase. I think they're probably right (but exaggerating) that a significant number didn't make it and/or missed their target. Look at the following video, and you'll see some untouched planes in bunkers not hit by missiles. One would have to assume that we actually launched enough missiles to actually take out every fortified plane bunker, at a minimum.

http://www.smh.com.au/video/video-n...-syrian-air-base-released-20170407-4sp38.html

Plus, having received a heads-up from the Russians, it would appear that the Syrians managed to move some of their planes out from their protected bunkers. Check out this Russian MOD drone footage that shows at least 5 Syrian migs sitting out of their bunkers at an odd location by the side of a runway.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2DU6iw0zoQ

Again, I get the reason why we gave the Russians warning, but the net result is that we'd really need to strike them again in order to affect their ability to launch more air strikes. And if there is a next time, will the Russians have their air defense systems up-and-running?
 
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