U.S. LSU Student Reportedly Plans to Burn US Flag

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utvolpj said:
actually there are laws against misrepresenting yourself as a soldier and I would think the military also has the same
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UCMJ has no bearing on civilians.

So, what if the random (and unauthorized) person wore the beret and a white t-shirt emblazoned with the words, "I am not a member of any military organization"...is it ok, now?

And who says that only soldiers should be allowed to wear a military uniform? What about the personal liberties of other non-soldiers to also wear one? Is there some big risk that someone would catch an invasion force in Sarasota and run to gain the assistance of the closest person in a military uniform, only to find out that s/he is a phony? Surely this law wasn't intended to prevent that far-flung eventuality, right?

It can't be a cloth which can be burned (the flag) and something that another cannot even wear (the beret) in the next.

Of course, this is entirely predicated on the assumption that I believe personal liberties and freedoms are the nearly absolute end-all be-all that some think them to be.
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utvolpj said:
why is cutting the flag up to wear it as a shirt, bandana, bathing suit acceptable but burning it is not?
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It depends. Here is my personal criteria:

1. Is the flag made into a thonged bikini?
2. Does the woman's age fall between 18 and 35?
3. Does same woman have a BMI between 22 and 28?
4. Does the same woman like Lynyrd Skynyrd?
5. Is she likely to take said thong bikini top off while listening to said Lynyrd Skynyrd music?

If "YES" to first 4 and "HELL YES" to the fifth, it's as American as applie pie, an warrants all protection under law.

If the answer to any is "No" - it should be both illegal and punishable by imprisonment.
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Tenacious D said:
Unlike a police uniform, there is no law (that I am aware of) which prevents his wearing it, meaning, isn't it exercising his personal freedom to wear it?

It's only a piece of cloth, really.

What if he shat in it? Would that be worse than wearing it?
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Wearing unauthorized uniform items is expressly prohibited by the Uniform Code of Military Justice; granted, I imagine that some non-Ranger, jack*** in Cadet Command authorized such an egregious uniform for certain cadets. It is regrettable, though, IMO.
 
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Tenacious D said:
UCMJ has no bearing on civilians.

So, what if the random (and unauthorized) person wore the beret and a white t-shirt emblazoned with the words, "I am not a member of any military organization"...is it ok, now?

And who says that only soldiers should be allowed to wear a military uniform? What about the personal liberties of other non-soldiers to also wear one? Is there some big risk that someone would catch an invasion force in Sarasota and run to gain the assistance of the closest person in a military uniform, only to find out that s/he is a phony? Surely this law wasn't intended to prevent that far-flung eventuality, right?

It can't be a cloth which can be burned (the flag) and something that another cannot even wear (the beret) in the next.

Of course, this is entirely predicated on the assumption that I believe personal liberties and freedoms are the nearly absolute end-all be-all that some think them to be.
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If he is not in the military, then I could care less; however, judging from the picture he is a cadet at LSU and, therefore, subject to UCMJ.

Like I said, this is probably authorized by some paper pushing, powerpoint ranger in Cadet Command, and it is ridiculous.
 
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therealUT said:
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Too soon...
 
#59
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tvolsfan said:
This is only as important as people make it. If people want to cry and protest, the guy gets all the attention he wants and this becomes a big issue. If everyone just ignores it, then this guy is just going to be portrayed as an American hating lunatic. I'm hoping for that.
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We can also apply this same logic and reasoning with the Common invite to the White House.
 
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therealUT said:
Presents quite a conundrum doesn't it. If one refuses to provide a burn permit simply because the man wants to burnt the flag, then they are essentially restricting the man's freedom and liberty; hence, they are, in actuality, doing more to disparage what the flag stands for then the man who is actually planning on burning it.
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I want to fire off fireworks in my city as a form of personal expression on July 4th. Unfortunately, my city wants to take away my 1st Amendment rights by not allowing me to express myself in that manner.

:crazy:
 
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therealUT said:
Presents quite a conundrum doesn't it. If one refuses to provide a burn permit simply because the man wants to burnt the flag, then they are essentially restricting the man's freedom and liberty; hence, they are, in actuality, doing more to disparage what the flag stands for then the man who is actually planning on burning it.
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I want to yell "Fire" in a crowded theater, also.

:crazy:
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I want to fire off fireworks in my city as a form of personal expression on July 4th. Unfortunately, my city wants to take away my 1st Amendment rights by not allowing me to express myself in that manner.

:crazy:
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I want to yell "Fire" in a crowded theater, also.

:crazy:
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You must have posted these under the presumption that I would agree that either of those laws are sensible and/or beneficial.

I don't.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
We can also apply this same logic and reasoning with the Common invite to the White House.
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Go for it. It's a little different, though. I'd be honored if the President thought I did something worthy of an invite, even if everyone else ignored it.

Does anyone really think the flag burner wants everyone to quietly let him enjoy his first amendment rights? It's pretty obvious the guy would prefer to get attention, or at the very least, the sympathy of the ACLU, than be totally ignored.
 
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Mob Chases Flag Burner From LSU Campus

Graduate communications student Benjamin Haas had earlier been given permission by the school to burn the flag. But because he lacked a local burn permit, he agreed instead to read a statement in an area of the university known as free speech alley.
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Guess that answers my question. I wonder if he ever thought to get one or if it was denied to him.
 
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Tenacious D said:
It depends. Here is my personal criteria:

1. Is the flag made into a thonged bikini?
2. Does the woman's age fall between 18 and 35?
3. Does same woman have a BMI between 22 and 28?
4. Does the same woman like Lynyrd Skynyrd?
5. Is she likely to take said thong bikini top off while listening to said Lynyrd Skynyrd music?

If "YES" to first 4 and "HELL YES" to the fifth, it's as American as applie pie, an warrants all protection under law.

If the answer to any is "No" - it should be both illegal and punishable by imprisonment.
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So much truth in this post.
 
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#75
Speaking of flags that should be burnt...

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How is rubbing your ding dong on the flag any better than burning it?

There are also a lot of people who wear american flag undies. Even if it's not an actual flag, it's a representation of one and they are leaving skid marks on it at the end of the day.
 
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