U.S. LSU Student Reportedly Plans to Burn US Flag

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Having served in the Corps. I gladly fought for the right for each American to express their opinion how they see fit. (As long as its legal). That being said if I were ever so unlucky to see a fellow American try to burn OUR flag I believe I would have to become a hypocrite and express my opinion physically with legal consequences or not.

To some its just cloth or nylon to others it stands for a lot more.
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CaVOLfn said:
Having served in the Corps. I gladly fought for the right for each American to express their opinion how they see fit. (As long as its legal). That being said if I were ever so unlucky to see a fellow American try to burn OUR flag I believe I would have to become a hypocrite and express my opinion physically with legal consequences or not.

To some its just cloth or nylon to others it stands for a lot more.
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If you assault someone over it, then it does not stand for anything for you.
 
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therealUT said:
If you assault someone over it, then it does not stand for anything for you.
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You're right. I was wrong. Thanks for setting me straight. I forgot that everyone has seen their buds get jacked up overseas and is indifferent about it. And thanks for clarifying that you know exactly what the flag means to me.
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justingroves said:
Water balloons are far from "violent".

I'm not saying it's okay, but the guy wanted attention and he got it.
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John Becksvoort (I think, I know it was a former UT kicker) would disagree. Dude got in hot water (no pun intended) heaving water balloons from Gibbs Hall onto pedestrians.... lol :)
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CaVOLfn said:
You're right. I was wrong. Thanks for setting me straight. I forgot that everyone has seen their buds get jacked up overseas and is indifferent about it. And thanks for clarifying that you know exactly what the flag means to me.
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The flag stands for, above all, freedom and liberty. The minute you physically harm someone for demonstrating such freedom and liberty, you desecrate the meaning of the flag more than they do.
 
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therealUT said:
The flag stands for, above all, freedom and liberty. The minute you physically harm someone for demonstrating such freedom and liberty, you desecrate the meaning of the flag more than they do.
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I am fully aware of the hypocrisy. That's why I stated that I would be a hypocrite. There are some things that I believe are intolerable. Say whatever you want and im ok with words. But burn the flag in front of me and there's an issue. The flag represents freedom, yes, it also represents the lives and sacrifice of too many people.
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therealUT said:
The flag stands for, above all, freedom and liberty. The minute you physically harm someone for demonstrating such freedom and liberty, you desecrate the meaning of the flag more than they do.
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I am in no way a fan of flag burning. Having said that, you know a person values freedom when they stand up for the right of someone to scream their message at the top of their voice even if their views are the polar opposite of your own. That's not an easy thing for anyone to do, but it is the essence of freedom.
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CaVOLfn said:
I am fully aware of the hypocrisy. That's why I stated that I would be a hypocrite. There are some things that I believe are intolerable. Say whatever you want and im ok with words. But burn the flag in front of me and there's an issue. The flag represents freedom, yes, it also represents the lives and sacrifice of too many people.
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And, by physically taking away those freedoms, you also desecrate those sacrifices.
 
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JayVols said:
I am in no way a fan of flag burning. Having said that, you know a person values freedom when they stand up for the right of someone to scream their message at the top of their voice even if their views are the polar opposite of your own. That's not an easy thing for anyone to do, but it is the essence of freedom.
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Exactly.
 
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JayVols said:
I am in no way a fan of flag burning. Having said that, you know a person values freedom when they stand up for the right of someone to scream their message at the top of their voice even if their views are the polar opposite of your own. That's not an easy thing for anyone to do, but it is the essence of freedom.
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I agree. But words are just words. Even in todays time we were celebrated coming home from Iraq by some and screamed at by others. I can deal with words
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CaVOLfn said:
That is where we are going to have to disagree. And I can tell this discussion will lead to nowhere.
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Did you buddies ultimately give their lives in defense of freedom?

If you, then, go out and restrict freedom, then you are turning their sacrifice from something that could have possibly been noble to something that was in vain.
 
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therealUT said:
Did you buddies ultimately give their lives in defense of freedom?

If you, then, go out and restrict freedom, then you are turning their sacrifice from something that could have possibly been noble to something that was in vain.
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Please don't ever make comments like that.
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I take it is a safe guess that you personally never served?
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CaVOLfn said:
I agree. But words are just words. Even in todays time we were celebrated coming home from Iraq by some and screamed at by others. I can deal with words
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I understand your point. It infruiates me as well, but we have an equal right to express that displeasure of their actions. It's tough, I know. The brain donors over at Westboro Baptist boil my blood, but they are protected. Those that counter-demonstrate to shield the family from their BS have my utmost respect.
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CaVOLfn said:
Please don't ever make comments like that.
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I will make whatever comments I want. I assume that you swore an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution, correct? Must be only cheap words to you.
 
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therealUT said:
Interesting and ridiculous assumption.
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If you had you wouldn't ever question someones respect for their brothers. What is ridiculous is your all knowing superioirty complex . There is no way to make you understand how offensive that crap is.
if you didn't experience it, the comraderie, as much as you can imagine it, you will never be close. You and I have different opinions. But to say im disrespecting them or their beliefs is classless. Next time just say thanks.
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CaVOLfn said:
If you had you wouldn't ever question someones respect for their brothers. What is ridiculous is your all knowing superioirty complex . There is no way to make you understand how offensive that crap is.
if you didn't experience it, the comraderie, as much as you can imagine it, you will never be close. You and I have different opinions. But to say im disrespecting them or their beliefs is classless. Next time just say thanks.
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"Self-righteous arrogance is the occupational disease of the Soldier." - T.R. Fehrenbach

You might want to drop your self-righteous aggrandizement in this discussion and see that your views disrespect anyone and everyone who has ever served in the American Armed Forces, including yourself and me.

You swear an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution. The Constitution and the Colors stand for, more than anything, individual liberty. The moment you decide to take those liberties away, you trample on the document and the flag, as well as your own integrity since you cannot hold to your oath.
 
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therealUT said:
"Self-righteous arrogance is the occupational disease of the Soldier." - T.R. Fehrenbach

You might want to drop your self-righteous aggrandizement in this discussion and see that your views disrespect anyone and everyone who has ever served in the American Armed Forces, includinig yourself and me.

You swear an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution. The Constitution and the Colors stand for, more than anything, individual liberty. The moment you decide to take those liberties away, you trample on the document and the flag, as well as your own integrity since you cannot hold to your oath.
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What part of what I said was self righteous? Where I said if you didn't experience the comraderie you couldn't understand it? The part where I said you telling me that I am disrespecting the sacrifices of my friends was classless? I even said it was hypocritical of me and this discussion was pointless. If you wait for a bit I can drag up a quote too. I took an oath yes and instill believe in it. I have one issue that I can not support does that make me unconstituional? That's ignorant. Im sure that at.one point in your life you have accelerated a little to.much thus breaking the law and breaking the oath you say you took. Remember that part to uphold the laws and constitution. I guess we are both terrorists or evil people now. No one is perfect. The fact that I can admit that wanting to beat someone for burning the American flag is hypocritical, and you decide to launch a moronic, yet grammatically correct, attack is pointless.
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CaVOLfn said:
What part of what I said was self righteous? Where I said if you didn't experience the comraderie you couldn't understand it? The part where I said you telling me that I am disrespecting the sacrifices of my friends was classless? I even said it was hypocritical of me and this discussion was pointless. If you wait for a bit I can drag up a quote too. I took an oath yes and instill believe in it. I have one issue that I can not support does that make me unconstituional? That's ignorant. Im sure that at.one point in your life you have accelerated a little to.much thus breaking the law and breaking the oath you say you took. Remember that part to uphold the laws and constitution. I guess we are both terrorists or evil people now. No one is perfect. The fact that I can admit that wanting to beat someone for burning the American flag is hypocritical, and you decide to launch a moronic, yet grammatically correct, attack is pointless.
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It is much worse than hypocritical; obviously, you fail to comprehend this point, though.

You were self-righteous in assuming that anyone who does not agree with your views could not have possibly ever served in combat; that statement is egregiously incorrect. Your failure to understand why your statements are so perverse and an abomination to those who have served, including the both of us, is not so much surprising (as there were persons whom I served with who held those views) as much as it is depressing.

If you are an Officer, then truly, shame on you, as you are held to a higher standard, including higher moral standards encompassing the understanding of what exact purposes the Constitution serves. If you are enlisted, then I suggest that you reflect on exactly what freedom means and how all the suffering and sacrifices of those in uniform ultimately should play a part of defending those freedoms.

You'll never see me burning a flag; however, I would do all that is in my power to protect a fellow citizen who wanted to burn the flag.
 
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