UAW On Strike

#201
#201
BreatheUT said:
Unions are outdated and past their prime in most industries. This is one industry. The leaders are mostly democrats.

The American car companies struggle with issues like this while other foreign car companies in America don't.

They will never be able to get rid of these unions unless business collapses.
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I'm not going to go that far to say that unions are outdated. But the UAW is the WORST of the unions that make it harder for the rest of them.
 
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volgr said:
There is an obvious solution that will make both political sides happy. Fire those on strike and replace them with low wage immigrants. Slash benefits and pay because the immigrants will be thankful for the crumbs they get and then slash car prices.

The right gets free market capitalism and the left gets jobs for their favored immigrants plus minority hiring.
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In a twisted sort of way... you may actually be on to something.
 
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volgr said:
There is an obvious solution that will make both political sides happy. Fire those on strike and replace them with low wage immigrants. Slash benefits and pay because the immigrants will be thankful for the crumbs they get and then slash car prices.

The right gets free market capitalism and the left gets jobs for their favored immigrants plus minority hiring.
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They still need skilled labor. Maybe just do like so many other companies. Fly south away from the unions.
 
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volgr said:
There is an obvious solution that will make both political sides happy. Fire those on strike and replace them with low wage immigrants. Slash benefits and pay because the immigrants will be thankful for the crumbs they get and then slash car prices.

The right gets free market capitalism and the left gets jobs for their favored immigrants plus minority hiring.
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This is one of the reasons I’m for open borders.
 
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C-south said:
They still need skilled labor. Maybe just do like so many other companies. Fly south away from the unions.
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Installing body panels and interior components doesn't require much skill. Now, the engine assembly requires some skill, but even then the manufacturer has provided more than enough state of the art tooling to simplify the process.

This isn't our grandparents UAW anymore.
 
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ETV said:
Installing body panels and interior components doesn't require much skill. Now, the engine assembly requires some skill, but even then the manufacturer has provided more than enough state of the art tooling to simplify the process.

This isn't our grandparents UAW anymore.
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Using state of the art tools still requires some skilled labor. I get it though BMW down the road brings in a lot of “temp to possibly hire” nowadays. It wasn’t that way not too long ago.
 
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I know nobody will like this. They will get a great contract and I’m happy for them. They will get their pensions back to one tier and their pay will increase and everyone will make the same. The cost of living has skyrocketed and they are going to get a great contract.
 
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tnmarktx said:
I know nobody will like this. They will get a great contract and I’m happy for them. They will get their pensions back to one tier and their pay will increase and everyone will make the same. The cost of living has skyrocketed and they are going to get a great contract.
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You think they’re gonna get their defined benefit pensions back?

Yea that ain’t happening.
 
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tnmarktx said:
I know nobody will like this. They will get a great contract and I’m happy for them. They will get their pensions back to one tier and their pay will increase and everyone will make the same. The cost of living has skyrocketed and they are going to get a great contract.
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Hopefully you’re wrong. Maybe you should focus on why the cost of living has skyrocketed.
 
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tnmarktx said:
I know nobody will like this. They will get a great contract and I’m happy for them. They will get their pensions back to one tier and their pay will increase and everyone will make the same. The cost of living has skyrocketed and they are going to get a great contract.
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Based on years of experience, job complexity?
 
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C-south said:
They still need skilled labor. Maybe just do like so many other companies. Fly south away from the unions.
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Yea, go to the South where workers are HAPPY to work for lousy pay and bennies. We all know where Wal-Mart--the king of stiffing workers---got its start.
 
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turbovol said:
Yea, go to the South where workers are HAPPY to work for lousy pay and bennies. We all know where Wal-Mart--the king of stiffing workers---got its start.
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There is a balance. I'm not for workers being taken advantage of, but the UAW is on the far opposite end of the spectrum. The UAW is what gives unions (in general) a very bad perception in the US.
 
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turbovol said:
Yea, go to the South where workers are HAPPY to work for lousy pay and bennies. We all know where Wal-Mart--the king of stiffing workers---got its start.
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Yea companies like Michelin, BMW, etc really give their employees the shaft.
 
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BreatheUT said:
Based on years of experience, job complexity?
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You know that's not how it works in a union. I'll give you another perspective on this. These companies do the hiring, it's really their own fault for hiring a substandard workforce. Those that do the hiring need to have competency as well.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Unions are outdated...

And I really think they have zero place in government service.
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Union workers are among the few blue-collar workers in America who get decent pay and benefits. Most everybody in the retail/service/blue-collar
sector gets crap wages and crap bennies, and of course this has been true for decades. The CEO of GM will make close to $30 million this year. It's another glaring feature of U.S. capitalism that workers make too little and executives far too much. U.S. executive compensation packages have been a scandal for decades---incredibly excessive compared to executive compensation packages in Europe and elsewhere And of course a big profit incentive for U.S. executives is to keep a lid on labor costs.
 
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turbovol said:
Union workers are among the few blue-collar workers in America who get decent pay and benefits. Most everybody in the retail/service/blue-collar
sector gets crap wages and crap bennies, and of course this has been true for decades. The CEO of GM will make close to $30 million this year. It's another glaring feature of U.S. capitalism that workers make too little and executives far too much. U.S. executive compensation packages have been a scandal for decades---incredibly excessive compared to executive compensation packages in Europe and elsewhere And of course a big profit incentive for U.S. executives is to keep a lid on labor costs.
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Take 30M and divide by 167000 employees then and call it a day
 
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Orangeburst said:
Take 30M and divide by 167000 employees then and call it a day
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When all is said and done CEO compensation generally doesn't have a tremendous effect on the bottom line (or it hasn't in the past), but it's a huge distraction and causes enormous friction. For that reason alone (being completely self absorbed, ego centric, narcissistic, totally tone deaf fools) CEOs as a group should just be rounded up and shot then replaced with reasonable people.
 
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