Uf Cheated Ut To Win?

#28
#28
Classless...lol..."I think the guy that started this thread may be the dealer ... and got into his own stuff." <<<< no that is classless, and so is the UF program....Lawgayturd...answer this how was he playing if he should have gotten a 4-game suspension for possession early in the SEASON...he should have had a 4-game suspension at the beginning of the season = we are yall's 3rd game..now tell me im crazy
 
#31
#31
I agree if he was busted by the police it should be easy to prove. Just get a copy of the police report and check the date on it.
 
#32
#32
McCoy 5 LB said:
Classless...lol..."I think the guy that started this thread may be the dealer ... and got into his own stuff." <<<< no that is classless, and so is the UF program....Lawgayturd...answer this how was he playing if he should have gotten a 4-game suspension for possession early in the SEASON...he should have had a 4-game suspension at the beginning of the season = we are yall's 3rd game..now tell me im crazy
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What is your source for the info that he had a 4 game suspension and when did it start?

Oh, and here's an idea. If you are going to use that real real funny pun of Gator throughout please just tell me now so I don't waste any more time on your nonsense. Its just so old. I mean, I might as well start off every reply of mine on here with "Fulmer is fat" etc., etc.
 
#33
#33
Well, since the suspensions are based on University policies, not NCAA rules violations, your claims of UF "cheating" are completely baseless.

That said, Thomas served a 1 game suspension at the beginning of the year for testing positive. As is the case with the policies at both UF and UT, he is suspended indefinitely for his second offense.

He is appealing the suspension by stating that the 2nd test followed his first test too closely and is the result of the same incident. Since the THC that they test for is fat soluable and stays in the system of an average person for 30 days, it could easily be longer for a guy Thomas' size (he carries a fair bit of body fat). I'm sure there will be some analysis performed to determine how high the levels were at the time of the 2nd test to see if it corroborates his story.

If it does, he could be allowed to return to play quickly. If it does not, I'm guessing that he'll get several game's suspension.

When you look at both the UT and UF policy of allowing an "indefinite suspension" for the 2nd offense, it's really providing a lot of latitude to the decision-maker. That's not necessarily a bad thing since each case is different, but I would think that a person who fessed up and came clean would be given a shorter suspension than a guy who claimed he didn't use the drugs a second time and then have tests prove that he did.

Either way, since it's not an NCAA violation that we're talking about, and the player wasn't taking a performance-enhancing drug, there was no competitive advantage gained for UF.

Frankly I think you're just looking for something else to whine about. UT's lines got beat in the trenches. 95% of the folks here accept that and move on. Perhaps the thread starter here should do the same.
 
#34
#34
oklavol said:
I agree if he was busted by the police it should be easy to prove. Just get a copy of the police report and check the date on it.
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Well, it's not so easy, because the original poster wasn't correct when he stated that the player was "Busted by police".

He failed a University administered drug test. The indefinite suspension was administered according to University policies. It's not a legal matter. It's not even an NCAA matter. It's a university matter.

His first suspension was in accordance with university rules. So is this one. What's the beef?
 
#35
#35
oklavol said:
I agree if he was busted by the police it should be easy to prove. Just get a copy of the police report and check the date on it.
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Yup, just do a FOYA request. UFO nuts do it to the AF all the time.

Anyone is entitled to it. They will just redact it a little. And it may cost a "processing" fee.
 
#36
#36
I just checked on this and news reports say that he failed a terst in July and was suspended for game 1 pursuant to policy. He failed a second test about 6 weeks later and has been given a half season suspension.

But, he is challenging it, claiming that both positive results game from one episode of use. He met with school officials today and I think they are doing some kind of additional testing on the prior samples.

I don't know what to make of it. Might be true. Guess given the stakes you have to hear him out and see if it can be resolved factually one way or the other. It would indeed be a shame to label him a repeat offender if he isn't.
 
#38
#38
I am leaning on the BS side from the same test. It would depend on what the amount was.

I have worked positive UA's in the military. We use a "nanogram" level. The DoD only calls it a positive test if it is above a certain ng level. Most drug tests are given with enough time to tell the amount which gives a good indication of when the use occurred. And how long after each other test.

Most tests aren't just tested for presence, but for amount. If that's the case, he may be fabricating his story.
 
#40
#40
USAF_Vol said:
I am leaning on the BS side from the same test. It would depend on what the amount was.

I have worked positive UA's in the military. We use a "nanogram" level. The DoD only calls it a positive test if it is above a certain ng level. Most drug tests are given with enough time to tell the amount which gives a good indication of when the use occurred. And how long after each other test.

Most tests aren't just tested for presence, but for amount. If that's the case, he may be fabricating his story.
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Apparently that is exactly what he wants them to look at --- whether the amount the sdecond time was much much lower than the first.
 
#41
#41
Can't they take a hair sample that would cover like the previous couple of months? That would be interesting....
 
#42
#42
Again, most tests use a cutoff before it is marked as positive. Example:

I test on 20 Sep 06 for THC with a 40 ng level, with a DoD cutoff of 20 ng.

A waiting period for the next test is usually 1-2 weeks.

I go in and test at 40 ng again 2 weeks later. No drop in ng level means I smoked again.

I test 21 ng 2 weeks later, I have not smoked since the first time.

Does this make sense to you?
 
#43
#43
oklavol said:
Can't they take a hair sample that would cover like the previous couple of months? That would be interesting....
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I lost a case in court martial for a guy who had a positive urinalysis, positive blood test and negative hair sample.

I hate hair samples. Why so many tests, ask the JAG. I am still PO about that case.
 
#44
#44
USAF_Vol said:
Again, most tests use a cutoff before it is marked as positive. Example:

I test on 20 Sep 06 for THC with a 40 ng level, with a DoD cutoff of 20 ng.

A waiting period for the next test is usually 1-2 weeks.

I go in and test at 40 ng again 2 weeks later. No drop in ng level means I smoked again.

I test 21 ng 2 weeks later, I have not smoked since the first time.

Does this make sense to you?
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Sure does. I guess we'll have to wait and see what the levels were.
 
#45
#45
lawgator1 said:
Sure does. I guess we'll have to wait and see what the levels were.
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:thumbsup: Like I said before, I would be interested to see when this all took place(1st and subsequent tests) and when the university was notified.
 
#47
#47
Why is it that he failed the test a month ago and he is just now getting the suspension? Wheels of justice work slow in Gainesville? Or like the conspiracy says, was it timed until after a key game?
 
#48
#48
It definitely wouldn't be the first time that has happened. :cough: Reggie Cobb :cough:
 
#49
#49
:devilsmoke: All that coughing...I hope that is making a point...or are you smoking something over there as well?
 
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