UF to duck Georgia Southern from here on out.

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Thats ok...Keep running that chomper...What comes around goes around....Still, GSU?...LMAO!!!...Didn't complete a single pass?....Blocking your own teammates??....Baahhhaha!!! :eek:lol: I think i'll go watch some replays of the game, that was freaking hilarious!

And we still lost to that bunch of losers.
 
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Yes, our opinions do vary....and I've followed UF since the 70s, lived in Jacksonville during Herschel Walker's reign of terror, and was a UF student during Lynn Amadee, Donald Douglas playing QB and Gary Darnell. I've seen some crappy Gator football too.

The Georgia Southern debacle didn't bother me as much because the season was already a dumpster fire, and the South Carolina loss all but guaranteed a losing season.

That said, an injury riddled UF team should never lose to an injury riddled Georgia Southern team...ever.

My optimism for Roper is tempered because UF isn't exactly tearing it up recruiting on offense, and that's my biggest gripe with Muschamp. He doesn't appear to be a good evaluator of offensive talent. It took him more than half a season...and an injury to Matt Jones...to realize Kelvin Taylor was more than ready to play RB. Inexcusable.

I'm not nearly as bullish on Muschamp as you are. As for Petrino, he was on Foley's short list after Spurrier and Meyer moved on.

UF has plenty of talent and playmakers on offense; they simply weren't used well by Pease.

I also think one of the things he learned as a new hc is that he can't micro-manage the offense, and needs to leave that up to the coordinator he hires.

With Roper doing a lot of the evals and selections on that side of the ball, I expect that to improve anyway; and if he can do with our 4* and 5* kids what he did with Duke's 2* and 3* kids, we look good to go.

And of course Petrino was on Foley's list following Spurrier and Meyer; he hadn't proven he was a complete scumbag yet... he totaled the motorcycle with the woman he was having an affair with and hired using UAr money in 2012.
 
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UF has plenty of talent and playmakers on offense; they simply weren't used well by Pease.

I also think one of the things he learned as a new hc is that he can't micro-manage the offense, and needs to leave that up to the coordinator he hires.

With Roper doing a lot of the evals and selections on that side of the ball, I expect that to improve anyway; and if he can do with our 4* and 5* kids what he did with Duke's 2* and 3* kids, we look good to go.

And of course Petrino was on Foley's list following Spurrier and Meyer; he hadn't proven he was a complete scumbag yet... he totaled the motorcycle with the woman he was having an affair with and hired using UAr money in 2012.

Petrino was a scumbag before Meyer left UF. It didn't stop Foley from going after him, in spite of how Petrino left the Falcons high and dry in 2007.

I don't care about Petrino stepping out on his wife...that's between him and his wife. And if you've had your ear to the ground in Gainesville for the past 20+ years, you'd know Foley is the last guy who should be judging coaching candidates based on infidelity.

I'm still waiting for all of our 4* and 5* receivers to pan out. Debose has been an absolute bust, Robinson is a reported headcase (albeit an extremely talented headcase), and Pittman hasn't shown anything resembling 4* talent.
 
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Well written! :good!:

Has Franklin been burning up the airwaves since arrving at PSU? I know he's tearing up recruiting wise, but I haven't heard much else...but then I'm not looking for anything.

He got under UT's skin because he was able to deliver. He wasn't DiNardo Part II.

You're giving Franklin to many props. Scheduling, upperclassman laden teams - and a couple of superstars are why he is where he is today. Sure vandy has had their best years - ever - but other teams that regularly beat the snot out of vandy - had their worst years - ever. franklins W/L record does not tell the true story. Excuses, perhaps. frankie boys obsession to run his flapper will come back to bite him in the arse, not to mention that the rape trials have not even started yet. Frankie boy may be sitting in a courtroom in Nashville at the start of his 1st season penn state. Great press if so.
 
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You're giving Franklin to many props. Scheduling, upperclassman laden teams - and a couple of superstars are why he is where he is today. Sure vandy has had their best years - ever - but other teams that regularly beat the snot out of vandy - had their worst years - ever. franklins W/L record does not tell the true story. Excuses, perhaps. frankie boys obsession to run his flapper will come back to bite him in the arse, not to mention that the rape trials have not even started yet. Frankie boy may be sitting in a courtroom in Nashville at the start of his 1st season penn state. Great press if so.

Sure Vandy had their best years ever, but the coach shouldn't get any credit.
 
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You're giving Franklin to many props. Scheduling, upperclassman laden teams - and a couple of superstars are why he is where he is today. Sure vandy has had their best years - ever - but other teams that regularly beat the snot out of vandy - had their worst years - ever. franklins W/L record does not tell the true story. Excuses, perhaps. frankie boys obsession to run his flapper will come back to bite him in the arse, not to mention that the rape trials have not even started yet. Frankie boy may be sitting in a courtroom in Nashville at the start of his 1st season penn state. Great press if so.

What superstars are you referring to? Jordan Matthews? Yeah, he was burning up the recruiting forums back in the day! LMAO!

Franklin had nothing to do with this, right? You have to give Franklin some credit for Vandy's success.
 
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Most sane people would.

You must take into consideration where you are!

This place loves to throw in your face what happened before color television and integration. Somehow that's still relevant in their minds.

When UT started struggling with Vandy, many on here immediately jumped on the "Neyland was hired to beat Vandy" bandwagon. Anything to justify UT's relevance.
 
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Petrino was a scumbag before Meyer left UF. It didn't stop Foley from going after him, in spite of how Petrino left the Falcons high and dry in 2007.

I don't care about Petrino stepping out on his wife...that's between him and his wife. And if you've had your ear to the ground in Gainesville for the past 20+ years, you'd know Foley is the last guy who should be judging coaching candidates based on infidelity.

I'm still waiting for all of our 4* and 5* receivers to pan out. Debose has been an absolute bust, Robinson is a reported headcase (albeit an extremely talented headcase), and Pittman hasn't shown anything resembling 4* talent.

Nonsense; Petrino may have always been a scumbag, but it wasn't as public before the wreck; he became persona non grata in DI coaching after that... that's why he didn't have a job for the 2012 season, and when a school DID decide to take the risk it was Western Kentucky.

The same reason UAr sent him packing is the same reason Foley doesn't have him on any list anymore... nor do most other elite programs. UL is a fringe program that took him back; and they're also the landing spot of about 3/4 of all the top athletes that get dismissed from elite southern programs for bad behavior or academics... kind of like WVU. They HAVE to take those kinds of risks to be competitive; we don't.

And regardless of what Foley's personal life is like, he still has to make those judgment calls on potential candidates; he's not hiring somebody to be his personal gardner, he's hiring guys to be the public face of the UF football program... that will disqualify certain types of coaches, and Petrino became one of them.

I'm also looking forward to seeing some top athletes finally show their potential; but the fact they haven't isn't Muschamp's fault, other than to say he made some typical rookie HC mistakes with OC hires. Every successful HC I've ever listened to has said the hardest (and most important) facet of coaching is building a staff that is both cohesive and consistent (together a long time).

As for specific players, Debose, by all accounts, was finally ready to explode last year, but of course was one of the 16 players suffering a season-ending injury.

And if Robinson is such a head-case then I'm optimistic, because so were guys like Percy, Bubba, and Dallas... the price you have to pay sometimes to court greatness. Seems like keeping them eligible and at the top of their game is a delicate balancing act for much of their careers.

Everybody's entitled to their own perception; I've just seen enough to feel like CWM definitely has the goods and is building something that will be what Gator fans respect and expect... he simply didn't spend the requisite 3 or 4 years at a lesser program to work out all those kinks and learn all those green HC lessons; he actually broke his cherry at the top, UF.

College football history is littered with impatient programs who let a guy get away after a few years, only to go on and watch in pain as he won NC's for the next program down the road. AD's get paid to not be that guy; and Foley has proven to be right a whole helluva lot more often than wrong.
 
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Too much for one post...so let's break it down...

Nonsense; Petrino may have always been a scumbag, but it wasn't as public before the wreck; he became persona non grata in DI coaching after that... that's why he didn't have a job for the 2012 season, and when a school DID decide to take the risk it was Western Kentucky.

The same reason UAr sent him packing is the same reason Foley doesn't have him on any list anymore... nor do most other elite programs. UL is a fringe program that took him back; and they're also the landing spot of about 3/4 of all the top athletes that get dismissed from elite southern programs for bad behavior or academics... kind of like WVU. They HAVE to take those kinds of risks to be competitive; we don't.

Arkansas sent Petrino packing because he lied and attempted to cover up the motorcycle accident...just like he lied to the Falcons, denying he was interested in the Arkansas job. This didn't stop Foley from making a call in 2010 to gauge his interest following Meyer's departure.
 
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Regardless of what Foley's personal life is like, he still has to make those judgment calls on potential candidates; he's not hiring somebody to be his personal gardner, he's hiring guys to be the public face of the UF football program... that will disqualify certain types of coaches, and Petrino became one of them.

So you're okay with the AD banging coeds and staff, but not the football coach...got it.
 
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I'm also looking forward to seeing some top athletes finally show their potential; but the fact they haven't isn't Muschamp's fault, other than to say he made some typical rookie HC mistakes with OC hires. Every successful HC I've ever listened to has said the hardest (and most important) facet of coaching is building a staff that is both cohesive and consistent (together a long time).

Is anything Muschamp's fault? :eek:lol:

If anyone is to blame, it's Foley for whiffing on another football coach with no previous head coaching experience. And before you bring up Urban Meyer, he was Bernie Machen's boy from Utah. If Machen wasn't UF's president in 2004, Urban Meyer goes to Notre Dame.
 
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As for specific players, Debose, by all accounts, was finally ready to explode last year, but of course was one of the 16 players suffering a season-ending injury.

And if Robinson is such a head-case then I'm optimistic, because so were guys like Percy, Bubba, and Dallas... the price you have to pay sometimes to court greatness. Seems like keeping them eligible and at the top of their game is a delicate balancing act for much of their careers.

As if Gator Country is going to report about Debose's lousy work ethic from day one, causing Solomon Patton to jump ahead of him on the depth chart in 2012...and 2013.

Percy, Bubba and Dallas all produced their first season. Robinson did not, but I love his potential.
 
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Everybody's entitled to their own perception; I've just seen enough to feel like CWM definitely has the goods and is building something that will be what Gator fans respect and expect... he simply didn't spend the requisite 3 or 4 years at a lesser program to work out all those kinks and learn all those green HC lessons; he actually broke his cherry at the top, UF.

And that's where the problem lies. UF shouldn't hire football coaches without previous head coaching experience.
 
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College football history is littered with impatient programs who let a guy get away after a few years, only to go on and watch in pain as he won NC's for the next program down the road. AD's get paid to not be that guy; and Foley has proven to be right a whole helluva lot more often than wrong.

Come again now?

The coaches of the past thirty national champions are as follows.

Howard Schnellenberger (1983)
Lavell Edwards (1984)
Barry Switzer (1985)
Joe Paterno (1986)
Jimmie Johnson (1987)
Lou Holtz (1988)
Dennis Erickson (1989, 91)
Bill McCartney (1990)
Gene Stallings (1992)
Bobby Bowden (1993, 99)
Tom Osbourne (1994, 95, 97)
Steve Spurrier (1996)
Lloyd Carr (1997)
Phil Fulmer (1998)
Bob Stoops (2000)
Larry Coker (2001)
Jim Tressell (2002)
Nick Saban (2003, 09, 11, 12)
Pete Carroll (2004)
Mack Brown (2005)
Urban Meyer (2006, 08)
Les Miles (2007)
Gene Chizik (2010)
Jimbo Fisher (2013)

Please tell me which of these coaches were pressured to leave their previous job, or fired prematurely from their previous job, only to find national championship success elsewhere.

Just about every coach on that list either coached at the same school for their entire career, or took a step up from a lesser program that wasn't sniffing a national title anytime soon.
 
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Please tell me which of these coaches were pressured to leave their previous job, or fired prematurely from their previous job, only to find national championship success elsewhere.

Just about every coach on that list either coached at the same school for their entire career, or took a step up from a lesser program that wasn't sniffing a national title anytime soon.

Maybe Gene Stallings. Announced he would resign at end of season but was let go immediately. This after a 4 year run.
 
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Understood.

You could also include Pete Carroll in that 'maybe'.

yep. Pete laid out a year before taking the USC job which is the only difference. But in both situations they got canned from the pros to end up winning big in college. In that whole list these are the only two we can come up with and they're iffy at best.
 
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More fun stats about that list. Here are the same coaches and the number of years they were at that program before they won a national champtionship

Howard Schnellenberger (1983) 4
Lavell Edwards (1984) 13
Barry Switzer (1985) 2
Joe Paterno (1986) 17
Jimmie Johnson (1987) 4
Lou Holtz (1988) 3
Dennis Erickson (1989, 91) 1
Bill McCartney (1990) 9
Gene Stallings (1992) 3
Bobby Bowden (1993, 99) 18
Tom Osbourne (1994, 95, 97) 22
Steve Spurrier (1996) 7
Lloyd Carr (1997) 3
Phil Fulmer (1998) 7
Bob Stoops (2000) 2
Larry Coker (2001) 1
Jim Tressell (2002) 1
Nick Saban (2003, 09, 11, 12) 4
Pete Carroll (2004) 3
Mack Brown (2005) 8
Urban Meyer (2006, 08) 2
Les Miles (2007) 3
Nick Saban (2003, 09, 11, 12) 3
Gene Chizik (2010) 2
Jimbo Fisher (2013) 4

On average, 5.8 years before winning a NC. In the BCS era that average is 3.33 years.
 

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