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#377
#377
orangeslice13 said:
I'm a werstler and a BJJ guy but I'm completely unimpressed with the push them aginst the wall and hold them down fighters.

IMO if the judges decided the guy with guard was winning it would force people to pass and try to finish the fight.
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I've been training bjj about 3 years now, so I love the ground game. But I agree the lay and pray thing gets old. They really should adopt Pride rules against this. Give a warning first, then 10% of the purse every time after that. It would would eliminate this style and make fights more exciting. IMO
 
#378
#378
BadJerry20 said:
I've been training bjj about 3 years now, so I love the ground game. But I agree the lay and pray thing gets old. They really should adopt Pride rules against this. Give a warning first, then 10% of the purse every time after that. It would would eliminate this style and make fights more exciting. IMO
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I agree.
The other rule change I'd like to see involves the fence. Like in pride the fight should be moved off the fense to the middle. Neither fighter should receive an advantage from it.
 
#379
#379
orangeslice13 said:
I agree.
The other rule change I'd like to see involves the fence. Like in pride the fight should be moved off the fense to the middle. Neither fighter should receive an advantage from it.
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I think they should have legitimately trained judges as well. Also take Downs should only count, point wise, if I guy inflicts damage after a take down. Some guys will have 6 take downs but only really do damage on 3 of them. Being a bjj guy, they should put a little more stock in to sub attempts. Judges judge based on octogon control, striking, aggression, take downs, and ground control. Why sub attempts are not included in this formula is beyond me.
 
#380
#380
BadJerry20 said:
I think they should have legitimately trained judges as well. Also take Downs should only count, point wise, if I guy inflicts damage after a take down. Some guys will have 6 take downs but only really do damage on 3 of them. Being a bjj guy, they should put a little more stock in to sub attempts. Judges judge based on octogon control, striking, aggression, take downs, and ground control. Why sub attempts are not included in this formula is beyond me.
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In BJJ all work comes from guard. Why is that not considered control in mma?
I don't have any stats but I would be willing to bet there are 9 finishes from bottom for every one from top when guard is involved.
 
#381
#381
orangeslice13 said:
In BJJ all work comes from guard. Why is that not considered control in mma?
I don't have any stats but I would be willing to bet there are 9 finishes from bottom for every one from top when guard is involved.
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I agree. My guess is, it's just a knowledge thing for judges. They see a guy on top and assume he is in total control, they don't understand the work the guy on the bottom is doing. A lot of the judges are boxing judges that don't understand that aspect. MMA needs it's own separate judges that have been properly trained. The problem is they don't have a governing body to set up to control this, so to often it's guys that don't fully grasp the sport that judge the sport. MMA has progressed immensely since it's inception, so it will eventually happen.
 
#382
#382
BadJerry20 said:
I agree. My guess is, it's just a knowledge thing for judges. They see a guy on top and assume he is in total control, they don't understand the work the guy on the bottom is doing. A lot of the judges are boxing judges that don't understand that aspect. MMA needs it's own separate judges that have been properly trained. The problem is they don't have a governing body to set up to control this, so to often it's guys that don't fully grasp the sport that judge the sport. MMA has progressed immensely since it's inception, so it will eventually happen.
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I saw a fight on HDnet where one fighter jumped guard almost submited the 2nd fighter numerous times. The guy on top did nothing but try to survive. The first guy did major damage with elbows. The fight wasn't close.

Guess who won the decision?
 
#383
#383
orangeslice13 said:
I saw a fight on HDnet where one fighter jumped guard almost submited the 2nd fighter numerous times. The guy on top did nothing but try to survive. The first guy did major damage with elbows. The fight wasn't close.

Guess who won the decision?
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Fighter 2 of course. I hate when I see that happen. BJ vs GSP the first fight, BJ battered GSP and sent him to the hospital. But GSP took BJ down laid on him and won. Gegard Mousasi vs King Mo, Gegard punished Mo with elbows and strikes from his back. Mo won because of take downs and being on top. It happens far too often. Sub attempts deserve more credit, and laying on someone deserves less.

Being only 3-5 rounds I'd also like to see the .5 system implemented. 8.5 and 9.5 included in scoring. I've seen a 9-10 round where a guy did little damage, and a guy do a lot of damage and get a 9-10 round. Totally different damage yet the same score, doesn't make sense.

A bit off topic, but you mentioned HDNet. Have you seen Nick Newell fight? The kid with half an arm.
 
#385
#385
BadJerry20 said:
Fighter 2 of course. I hate when I see that happen. BJ vs GSP the first fight, BJ battered GSP and sent him to the hospital. But GSP took BJ down laid on him and won. Gegard Mousasi vs King Mo, Gegard punished Mo with elbows and strikes from his back. Mo won because of take downs and being on top. It happens far too often. Sub attempts deserve more credit, and laying on someone deserves less.

Being only 3-5 rounds I'd also like to see the .5 system implemented. 8.5 and 9.5 included in scoring. I've seen a 9-10 round where a guy did little damage, and a guy do a lot of damage and get a 9-10 round. Totally different damage yet the same score, doesn't make sense.

A bit off topic, but you mentioned HDNet. Have you seen Nick Newell fight? The kid with half an arm.
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Yes. Dude took a disadvantage and made it an advantage.



As long as we're fixing all the mma problems, I would like a scoreboard and scores posted between rounds.
 
#387
#387
orangeslice13 said:
Yes. Dude took a disadvantage and made it an advantage.



As long as we're fixing all the mma problems, I would like a scoreboard and scores posted between rounds.
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Lol maybe we should be the governing body. Also 12 to 6 elbow strikes should be allowed, a 9 to 3 is far more damaging. They see 12 to 6's breaking bricks and think it's worse. A 9 to 3 will split you wide open a 12 to 6 won't.
 
#388
#388
n_huffhines said:
I thought submission attempts did factor? How could they not?
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I know back in July there was a petition for them to count like striking, take downs, etc. Not sure if it passed or not. The problem is, even if it did judges haven't been trained properly to recognize a kimura or the more subtle subs. A triangle, rear naked, or a darce choke is easily seen to the untrained eye. So the judging would still be skewed. Only proper training would fix this. Honestly my biggest problem is take downs, without damage it shouldn't count. And getting up from a take down should count if a take down does. IMO
 
#389
#389
BadJerry20 said:
I know back in July there was a petition for them to count like striking, take downs, etc. Not sure if it passed or not. The problem is, even if it did judges haven't been trained properly to recognize a kimura or the more subtle subs. A triangle, rear naked, or a darce choke is easily seen to the untrained eye. So the judging would still be skewed. Only proper training would fix this. Honestly my biggest problem is take downs, without damage it shouldn't count. And getting up from a take down should count if a take down does. IMO
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I was at a small show in Dalton. The fight ended by gogoplata. The judge sitting beside me turned to me and said "what just happened? " he was there on behalf of the Georgia State Athletic Comish.
 
#390
#390
orangeslice13 said:
I was at a small show in Dalton. The fight ended by gogoplata. The judge sitting beside me turned to me and said "what just happened? " he was there on behalf of the Georgia State Athletic Comish.
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I literally laughed and shook my head. Perfect example!
 
#391
#391
n_huffhines said:
Jones/Sonnen TUF season starts January 20th.
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Should be entertaining. I read that one of the fighters this season has put everyone he has fought on the show in the hospital. One of the other fighters had a panic attack when they found out they had to fight him.
 
#396
#396
Johnny_Majors said:
he usually only fights 2 or 3 times a year. That's 3 more years of fights, and he's 38 in April. Will be tough to hold onto the belt.
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That's why I was surprised at the length of the contract. He has fought twice a year the past 4 years, so that would put him at 42 his last fight. Supposedly looking at 3 titles defenses then a super fight.
 
#398
#398
bentenn said:
The G.O.A.T.
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I've been watching since UFC 1, watched pride, dream, strikeforce and every other random organization in between. He is the greatest fighter I have ever seen, and honestly it isn't even close. I just hope he doesn't end up hanging around too long.
 
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#399
#399
Kinda sorta UFC related, Ron Kruck is absolutely horrible as a ring announcer. Cormier called out John Jones. Interesting.
 
#400
#400
I dont know much about Cormier, but i dont think that was a good idea. But if hes coming in calling out Mir and Jones, im already a fan of his, i cant stand either one of them
 
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