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BowlBrother85 said:
One of my favorite quotes from an athlete: LA Times reporter asking LA Laker (former Clemson) F/C Elden Campbell, "Did you earn a degree from Clemson University?" and his response, "No, but they gave me one anyway."
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What has happened at UNC is exceptional perhaps only in the particular way it was conducted; it is by no means exceptional, generally speaking, if, by "generally speaking," we mean passing athletes that really don't make the grades.

Nonetheless, I can't defend UNC any longer. No doubt we have done wrong. If the NCAA decides to punish us, strip our titles, etc., then so be it. I won't complain, although I will understandably be saddened, as any fan would be.
 
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Not gonna spend time reading the last few pages on the thread, so sorry if this is just repetitive.

No doubt academic fraud happens at a lot of schools both elite and lower level programs. Some players just aren't students and there's no doubt some schools don't care if they slack classes for sports. Probably more of a school issue than anything, but idk.

Hope they at least punish UNC for this, but don't see the need to take titles away. It was an off the court issue, shouldn't take away the fact it was a really good team. But with the NCAA they'll probably just look away as usual and go after something else.
 
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Although I don't give a flying flip about McCants or North Carolina's basketball program, these references by both McCants and ESPN's reporters to "paper classes," simply because they did not regularly attend formal classes, are, to a degree, an exercise in semantics. "Independent Studies" classes are regularly offered, particularly on a higher level, by a host of academic disciplines. The expectation is that a LENGTHY research paper will be the endproduct and the basis upon which the course grade will be conferred. Whether or not McCants wrote the papers associated with these courses is, of course, another story.
 
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Not gonna lie I'm not surprised in the least. Everyone knows at some schools they have classes like:
How to watch tv
Underwater basket wieving

And I'm a Carolina fan...
 
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Regulator said:
A systematic destruction of the arguments of Mary Willingham and Rashad McCants.

Coaching the Mind: The Truth is Not in the Transcripts: Refuting Willingham, McCants, and Kane
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I only read half of the article before getting lost. It should be noted that the author is a UNC employee, and specifically, the reading and writing specialist for the athletic dept.

It would be better for UNC to let the independent investigator refute the allegations. Whenever the Chancellor, AD, or Coach Williams speaks to the media, it fuels the fire more.
 
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Regulator said:
A systematic destruction of the arguments of Mary Willingham and Rashad McCants.

Coaching the Mind: The Truth is Not in the Transcripts: Refuting Willingham, McCants, and Kane
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I'm sure it's all just one big fabrication and conspiracy by Mary Willingham, the N&O and the Packpride mods and contributors. The good folks at UNC-Chapel Hill are well above such things. They do things the "Carolina Way".

I'm not suggesting that this doesn't occur at many institutions, but you have to own it at some point. That's not a shot at you or any other UT/UNC fan on this board.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
I'm sure it's all just one big fabrication and conspiracy by Mary Willingham, the N&O and the Packpride mods and contributors. The good folks at UNC-Chapel Hill are well above such things. They do things the "Carolina Way".

I'm not suggesting that this doesn't occur at many institutions, but you have to own it at some point. That's not a shot at you or any other UT/UNC fan on this board.
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No. I do believe there were academic issues at UNC, as there probably are at many other universities. I'm also sure that there is some amount of truth in what McCants has said, as far as his personal experience in attending/not attending class, and/or taking easy courses in order to remain eligible, but he can't apply his experience to anyone else. And as I understand this column, the author is not removing blame from UNC or saying that academic misconduct never occurred. He simply laying the blame at the deans of Arts & Sciences at the university that awarded Nyang'oro tenure as head of AFAM when there was probably enough speculation, if not evidence, that he was "teaching" classes that fell below the standards of the university and these classes were attended by numerous students, not just student athletes.

As far as the UNC basketball program, and Roy Williams, I still love the Tarheels and I like Roy, but I'm saddened at how the "Carolina Way" has eroded from what it meant under Dean Smith.
 
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Regulator said:
No. I do believe there were academic issues at UNC, as there probably are at many other universities. I'm also sure that there is some amount of truth in what McCants has said, as far as his personal experience in attending/not attending class, and/or taking easy courses in order to remain eligible, but he can't apply his experience to anyone else. And as I understand this column, the author is not removing blame from UNC or saying that academic misconduct never occurred. He simply laying the blame at the deans of Arts & Sciences at the university that awarded Nyang'oro tenure as head of AFAM when there was probably enough speculation, if not evidence, that he was "teaching" classes that fell below the standards of the university and these classes were attended by numerous students, not just student athletes.

As far as the UNC basketball program, and Roy Williams, I still love the Tarheels and I like Roy, but I'm saddened at how the "Carolina Way" has eroded from what it meant under Dean Smith.
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I respect what you are saying and think. I honestly think and hope Roy wasn't involved in some of these issues. I give him a hard time, but I think he's a good guy. Everyone I know that associates with him is always talking about what a good guy he is. His quotable remarks make him an easy target occasionally. K does too I suppose.

McCants is a scumbag and has always had an axe to grind with Roy. I don't understand his agenda at this point, but I think he and his family have always been bad news for UNC. They seem to have it out for Roy, and even as a Duke fan I side with Roy and UNC. McCants is on a Jeff McGinnis level for me. He threw Dean under the bus on OTL last week, and to attack a person/legend/icon who cannot defend themselves or refute an accusation is pathetic. Especially Dean Smith.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
I respect what you are saying and think. I honestly think and hope Roy wasn't involved in some of these issues. I give him a hard time, but I think he's a good guy. Everyone I know that associates with him is always talking about what a good guy he is. His quotable remarks make him an easy target occasionally. K does too I suppose.

McCants is a scumbag and has always had an axe to grind with Roy. I don't understand his agenda at this point, but I think he and his family have always been bad news for UNC. They seem to have it out for Roy, and even as a Duke fan I side with Roy and UNC. McCants is on a Jeff McGinnis level for me. He threw Dean under the bus on OTL last week, and to attack a person/legend/icon who cannot defend themselves or refute an accusation is pathetic. Especially Dean Smith.
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volbeast33 said:
the main question i have is.....why are there so many NC....Tenn fans?
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I can't speak for any others, but I'm one because I spent the first 22 years of my life growing up in NC and being a UNC fan. I then received a couple of degrees from UT and now teach there. Seems like the inevitable flow of one's fan history, in my opinion.
 
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Here you go again Volprof and others. Reopening the investigation. McCants is the gift that keeps on giving. I'm mobile so no link. All over twitter.
 
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The only part about the coverage of this that pisses me off is that the basketball program is the one always referenced in the "UNC academic scandal" and I understand that to an extent because of the recent allegations by former basketball player Rashad McCants. But this all started with the football program under Butch Davis.
 
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I also find it ironic that McCants closes out email correspondence with ESPN's Steve Delsohn with the hashtag "#defendstudentathletes" when he couldn't bother being a student-athlete while he was at UNC.
 
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what does this even mean?

"If we as athletes were being paid to work for these universities like unc proper education in career fields would come at the result of the athletes performance academically."
 
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005 said:
what does this even mean?

"If we as athletes were being paid to work for these universities like unc proper education in career fields would come at the result of the athletes performance academically."
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My best guess is he's demonstrating his lack of education and his failure to grasp grammar.
 
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005 said:
what does this even mean?

"If we as athletes were being paid to work for these universities like unc proper education in career fields would come at the result of the athletes performance academically."
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haha! That is pretty rough.
 
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