Unsealed Docs Show Planned Parenthood Charged $25G for Body Parts, Blood Samples within months

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GoBigOrangeUT said:
“A body”

LOL
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What would it matter if it's whole or just a part? Would a part make it any less troubling to you? At what point is it an issue for someone to buy and sell pieces of you without your consent?
 
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NEOCON said:
You view an adult who dies in a car accident who donates their organs to others when they die the same as someone drugging a person and cutting out their organs while they are unconscious the same?

If so, how?
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That is now what I am saying.

Again, I think you are confusing organ harvesting with organ donating.

Selling aborted babies is no different than the organ harvesting that the Chinese are accused of doing. That is what I'm saying.

I didn't realize there would be that much confusion over a simple term like "organ harvesting"...
 
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KB5252 said:
What would it matter if it's whole or just a part? Would a part make it any less troubling to you? At what point is it an issue for someone to buy and sell pieces of you without your consent?
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Do you think that they are just chopping off arms and legs all Willy nilly and selling them on the black market? These fetuses are the size of gummy bears if not smaller
 
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
Do you think that they are just chopping off arms and legs all Willy nilly and selling them on the black market? These fetuses are the size of gummy bears if not smaller
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I'm aware, but the question still remains. Your body is the most basic property you own. At what point does it cross your line for people to buy and sell pieces of you or anyone else without consent? Are we talking grams, ounces, pounds? Where is your line?
 
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KB5252 said:
I'm aware, but the question still remains. Your body is the most basic property you own. At what point does it cross your line for people to buy and sell pieces of you or anyone else without consent? Are we talking grams, ounces, pounds? Where is your line?
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We have no problem with parents providing consent for their kids until they are 18 but yet we do have a problem with the parent doing it to a gummy bear?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
So who else should we sacrifice the purpose of public health? People in prisons? Should we run experiments on them or homeless people or take their organs?
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What defines a person? Is it heartbeat? No, can’t be that. All animals have hearts. Is it a highly functional brain? No. Fetuses don’t have that.
 
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
We have no problem with parents providing consent for their kids until they are 18 but yet we do have a problem with the parent doing it to a gummy bear?
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Selling their kids body parts? You're either being purposefully obtuse or completely unequipped to compare like fruits.
 
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KB5252 said:
Selling their kids body parts? You're either being purposefully obtuse or completely unequipped to compare like fruits.
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This is a raspberry. This is the approximate size of an 8 week old fetus. Why 8 weeks? Because the overwhelming majority of abortions take place before that point in time. At 8 weeks there is a heartbeat, and breathing. That’s it. No intelligent thought. What separates it from an insect? We don’t consider insects people do we?
 
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
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This is a raspberry. This is the approximate size of an 8 week old fetus. Why 8 weeks? Because the overwhelming majority of abortions take place before that point in time. At 8 weeks there is a heartbeat, and breathing. That’s it. No intelligent thought. What separates it from an insect? We don’t consider insects people do we?
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What fruit are late term abortions and what would be an acceptable number of those terminations? I'm not taking a choice or life position, just curious about how the non-insect types should be handled.
 
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
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This is a raspberry. This is the approximate size of an 8 week old fetus. Why 8 weeks? Because the overwhelming majority of abortions take place before that point in time. At 8 weeks there is a heartbeat, and breathing. That’s it. No intelligent thought. What separates it from an insect? We don’t consider insects people do we?
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My original question still stands, it's your opinion a personal choice. Why won't you answer it? I would imagine the answer is because if you do it becomes a slippery slope the foundation of your argument can't stand on.
 
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And equating human body parts, tissue or whatever you want to call it doesn't change the fact we are talking human body parts being sold without the owners knowledge or consent. In what world do you live in where that would be considered ok? I understand the need for research but creating a market for buying and selling body parts of women and unborn babies/fetuses is problematic and unethical without serious oversight and consent from all involved parties.

Lobby for it all you want but there are serious ethical problems at multiple levels with this practice.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
What fruit are late term abortions and what would be an acceptable number of those terminations? I'm not taking a choice or life position, just curious about how the non-insect types should be handled.
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Less than 9% of all abortions are after 13 weeks and the majority of those are due to complications.
 
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
Less than 9% of all abortions are after 13 weeks and the majority of those are due to complications.
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Hard numbers dude. 9% of a huge number is a huge number. And cite the source. Especially the part about less than 4.5% (of what number?) are on post first trimester, viable pregnancies.

I'm not saying that I don't believe you. Just curious what the real stats are... but I don't know if ANY later term aborts are acceptable on viable fetuses. Partial birth was murder as I see it... but I don't follow the overall issue much at all. I'm too middle of the road to pick a clear side. I can't see a woman being forced to carry full term while doing what's best (not drinking, not smoking, proper nutrition, seeking appropriate health care) but I also don't think that abortion is an acceptable form of routine birth control... especially when government funded.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Who's consent?
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You have to have specific concent for organ donation. Either the person by designation or the family POA if there is no designation. If a mother concents to allow PP to take possession of the products of abortion they own that fetus. Beyond that I'm not sure what the law is.
 
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NurseGoodVol said:
You have to have specific concent for organ donation. Either the person by designation or the family POA if there is no designation. If a mother concents to allow PP to take possession of the products of abortion they own that fetus. Beyond that I'm not sure what the law is.
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I have a question for you. If you don't feel comfortable answering here I'd understand but something has been bothering me for years.

When a person is at the end of life, do you feel the body's natural response is to fight? For context a hypothetical based in real situation. A person who's body is failing, all cognitive function gone, no longer able to communicate. Basically just breathing in the "death throws" as they call it. Is it the body just fighting in absence of concerted thought? If asked by the family would you give meds that might relax the body at that point to reduce the bodies natural response if the family asked?
 
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Franklin was who posted this link. Has anyone thought to check the validity of said story, before we decided to argue about it? I trust his links to "news" about as far as I can throw Trey Smith. Hint: it ain't far.
 
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
Do you have an answer?
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Anyone who if not for unseen, uncontrollable circumstance would one day become a member of "we the people" and inherit all rights that come with it.

That is my GOV 101 answer.


Anyone who at one point will stand before God and be judged.

That is my theological answer.

Anyone who comes from a person who society has already deemed a human.

That is my humanist answer.

Wrap the 3 together and you got my take on mankind.
 
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zeppelin128 said:
Franklin was who posted this link. Has anyone thought to check the validity of said story, before we decided to argue about it? I trust his links to "news" about as far as I can throw Trey Smith. Hint: it ain't far.
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PP has been accused of this in the past iirc and there has been video released of negotiations. Either way it's an interesting topic for debate.
 
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