Unsealed Docs Show Planned Parenthood Charged $25G for Body Parts, Blood Samples within months

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KB5252 said:
I have a question for you. If you don't feel comfortable answering here is understand but something has been bothering me for years.

When a person is at the end of life, do you feel the body's natural response is to fight? For context a hypothetical based in real situation. A person who's body is failing, all cognitive function gone, no longer able to communicate. Basically just breathing in the "death throws" as they call it. Is it the body just fighting in absence of concerted thought? If asked by the family would you give meds that might relax the body at that point to reduce the bodies natural response if the family asked?
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When higher brain function is gone the automated side remains, the medulla oblongata. It will continue to drive involuntary functions like breathing and heart rate. The body goes through a series of compensatory actions to try to bring itself back into homeostasis until it has no reserves left.

When we know a person will not survive, there are many factors involved, we talk to the family about comfort care. Everything we do after that is centered around that pts comfort. The familys thoughts are definitely considered.
We don't know at that point if they feel pain or can hear, I have always chosen to believe they do so I talk to them and treat them for pain as the situation calls for. I involve the family with the choices. I always talk to the family about the pain medication and that it may hasten their death due to the side effect of slowing their breathing. It is very individualized and personal. Some families feel they are comfortable and choose not to medicate. I honor that, they know them best.
 
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NurseGoodVol said:
When higher brain function is gone the automated side remains, the medulla oblongata. It will continue to drive involuntary functions like breathing and heart rate. The body goes through a series of compensatory actions to try to bring itself back into homeostasis until it has no reserves left.

When we know a person will not survive, there are many factors involved, we talk to the family about comfort care. Everything we do after that is centered around that pts comfort. The familys thoughts are definitely considered.
We don't know at that point if they feel pain or can hear, I have always chosen to believe they do so I talk to them and treat them for pain as the situation calls for. I involve the family with the choices. I always talk to the family about the pain medication and that it may hasten their death due to the side effect of slowing their breathing. It is very individualized and personal. Some families feel they are comfortable and choose not to medicate. I honor that, they know them best.
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Thanks for this, this is what I believed was true, I felt that after many hours at my grandmother's bedside, 10 plus hours, that at that point some part of her didn't want to let go while we were there. Yet we didn't want her to go alone with no one who loved and knew her in life. I asked a nurse if anything could be given to her for pain, that I felt she was hanging on for us. End of life sucks but it's our burden.
 
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KB5252 said:
Thanks for this, this is what I believed was true, I felt that after many hours at my grandmother's bedside, 10 plus hours, that at that point some part of her didn't want to let go while we were there. Yet we didn't want her to go alone with no one who loved and knew her in life. I asked a nurse if anything could be given to her for pain, that I felt she was hanging on for us. End of life sucks but it's our burden.
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End of life is tough. I have had pts hold on for hours until family went to eat and then passed. I can't explain that phenomena but I've seen it allot over 15 years.
I'm glad you were at her bedside.
 
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NEOCON said:
Organ harvesting is messed up whether it's taking advantage of poor people who are willing to sell a part on the black market or people getting killed for them.

I thought we meant donors in America.
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People should be allowed to sell their organs.
 
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hog88 said:
People should be allowed to sell their organs.
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Ehhhhh......

I agree people should have the right but it would end up being mainly poor/drug addicted people selling their parts and their is just something overally gruesome about this that makes me feel they should be protected from themselves.

Very mixed feelings here.
 
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NurseGoodVol said:
You have to have specific concent for organ donation. Either the person by designation or the family POA if there is no designation. If a mother concents to allow PP to take possession of the products of abortion they own that fetus. Beyond that I'm not sure what the law is.
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Again. not about organ donation. Organ harvesting... two completely different things... or so I thought.
 
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
What defines a person? Is it heartbeat? No, can’t be that. All animals have hearts. Is it a highly functional brain? No. Fetuses don’t have that.
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You want to open the door about how intelligent you must be to survive?
 
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NEOCON said:
Ehhhhh......

I agree people should have the right but it would end up being mainly poor/drug addicted people selling their parts and their is just something overally gruesome about this that makes me feel they should be protected from themselves.

Very mixed feelings here.
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I agree it would be the poor doing the selling but just like prostitution, it's yours you should have the right to sell it.
 
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hog88 said:
I agree it would be the poor doing the selling but just like prostitution, it's yours you should have the right to sell it.
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I look at selling organs just like I do helmet laws. Sure do it, but when you end up in the hospital because of it we all have to pay in the way of higher insurance payments. Why should I have to pay more money because someone else is a dumbass?
 
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
Didn’t answer the question.
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The difference between the dismissive nature of your raspberry analogy and the fetus just being a random clump of cells is the genetic makeup of those cells being identical to our species.

It always amazes me how people chose to ignore that. The fetus isn’t a cow or a chicken or a cockroach. It’s a developing Homo Sapiens.

If you want to meh and shrug it off that’s your choice. But it doesn’t make your dipshit analogies “right” from a debate standpoint.
 
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hog88 said:
People should be allowed to sell their organs.
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Sure. Hey the organs belong to them. But they own the consequences. Sell a kidney and lose the other in a car accident ok you go to the back of the line dumbass you did this to yourself.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
The difference between the dismissive nature of your raspberry analogy and the fetus just being a random clump of cells is the genetic makeup of those cells being identical to our species.

It always amazes me how people chose to ignore that. The fetus isn’t a cow or a chicken or a cockroach. It’s a developing Homo Sapiens.

If you want to meh and shrug it off that’s your choice. But it doesn’t make your dipshit analogies “right” from a debate standpoint.
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Embryos Show All Animals Share Ancient Genes
 
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VolStrom said:
I look at selling organs just like I do helmet laws. Sure do it, but when you end up in the hospital because of it we all have to pay in the way of higher insurance payments. Why should I have to pay more money because someone else is a dumbass?
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Well that goes back to something else that needs to be changed. HC providers shouldn't be forced to serve people that can't pay.
 
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