Update on Nichols and offer to Alec Peters

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bleedingTNorange said:
I'm not going to doubt or question Cuonzo until he gives me a reason to.
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If I remember right, I think you strongly questioned the signing of 2 star Reese. What's the difference? Some of your quotes:

"Yea but maymon also plays the 5, and scored double figures in every sec game this year. If this guy can't score double figures in high school I don't feel great about hi chances doing it in the SEC.

I get the defense part but isnt that what Richardson was? I mean how many defense guys are we gonna take and hope to teach them offense. I still stand by my theory that CCM took his committment very early not sure how succesful the recruiting would be. If he had it to do over I personally do not think Reese would be on his way to Knoxville."

"He's a position that is filled with guys, and there simply isn't enough minutes for them all in his 9 man rotation. Chievous, Reese, mcbee, Edwards, McRae, Richardson, Moore are all competing at 2 position. That's 7 scholarships on 2 positions, and 6 for 3 other positions. I just don't think it was the best move, but as I said I'm if he had it to do over Reese would be on his way here. There's a reason he had no other high major d1 offers, his list looked about like washpuns."

"And according to maxpreps he averaged:
Freshman: ?
Sophomore: 8.1
Junior: 10.1
Senior: 9.5

So he BARELY averaged double figured 1 time in his HS career.

If conference play rolls around and this guy is playing, and contributing, I'll gladly admit I was wrong.

It's my opinion he won't, it's your opinion he will, obviously neither of us are going to change our opinions so lets just wait and see what happens.

If he turns out to be a contributor next year I'll be pleasantly surprised."


So basically the same questions I'm asking but with a slightly better player.
 
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Let me add, there is no way I'd take him over Nichols, but I like his versatility for the 5th spot that is seemingly being added. Also, I like the fact that the kid is a right hander and had no problems finishing with is left. :good!:
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Going forward it'll be as you describe IMO.

However, CCM is still dealing with the effects of his early classes, and early commitments he thought he'd be forced to take.

Now he's trying to fix that and flip the roster by simply adding more talented players than he currently has.
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That's what I'm saying also. I kinda think this kid would fall in the same category of possibly leaving because of better talent in the future.

At what point do we quit taking the kids that we would think will not see playing time?
 
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bamacheats said:
Alec Peters

Alec Peters - Yahoo! Sports

Boy, that's a head scratcher!
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CCM has shown to have a good eye, and get in on guys before the big boys...see hubbs and Nichols.

Peters is an ole Indiana boy, arguably one of the best pure shooters in the 2013 class. One of our huge weaknesses has been consistent perimeter shooting, having a 6'7" guy who can shoot over a zone or defender shouldn't be taken for granted and would be welcomed on this very team.

Wisconsin and Illinois are close to offering and are trying to convince him to wait until spring to committ so they can see if they have room, looks like Martin is just trying to beat them to it.

Fwiw...this isn't a guy we just randomly offered, Martin and staff have been scouting him all summer, I'll trust their judgment.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
CCM has shown to have a good eye, and get in on guys before the big boys...see hubbs and Nichols.

Peters is an ole Indiana boy, arguably one of the best pure shooters in the 2013 class. One of our huge weaknesses has been consistent perimeter shooting, having a 6'7" guy who can shoot over a zone or defender shouldn't be taken for granted and would be welcomed on this very team.

Wisconsin and Illinois are close to offering and are trying to convince him to wait until spring to committ so they can see if they have room, looks like Martin is just trying to beat them to it.

Fwiw...this isn't a guy we just randomly offered, Martin and staff have been scouting him all summer, I'll trust their judgment.
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I definitely trust Cuonzo's judgment over my own. I'm just getting spoiled with all these 5-star recruits he's in on.
:)
 
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dlw4n said:
Memphis has a team of nothing but 4 and 5 star players now, and their only contributing 3 is Antonio Barton, who turned out to be way more than just a throw-in for his brother.

If Pastner can't get something done this year, with THAT team of mostly highly experienced talent, I'm pretty sure people are going to assume he can't get it done.
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Pastner needs to show something this year before they head to the depleted big east, it's still the big east though. If he fails to win a NCAA tourney game again this year there will be some serious questions that need answered.

They honestly may have the most talented team on paper in the country not named Kentucky.
 
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volnpowell said:
Who leaves iyo? I know he said he did not want to recruit over a player, but playing against Kentucky leaves him no choice imo.
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There's a list of options...

Jarnell going pro is up there, one of the guys who won't see the court this year may transfer is another one.
 
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johnnybravo said:
If I remember right, I think you strongly questioned the signing of 2 star Reese. What's the difference? Some of your quotes:

"Yea but maymon also plays the 5, and scored double figures in every sec game this year. If this guy can't score double figures in high school I don't feel great about hi chances doing it in the SEC.

I get the defense part but isnt that what Richardson was? I mean how many defense guys are we gonna take and hope to teach them offense. I still stand by my theory that CCM took his committment very early not sure how succesful the recruiting would be. If he had it to do over I personally do not think Reese would be on his way to Knoxville."

"He's a position that is filled with guys, and there simply isn't enough minutes for them all in his 9 man rotation. Chievous, Reese, mcbee, Edwards, McRae, Richardson, Moore are all competing at 2 position. That's 7 scholarships on 2 positions, and 6 for 3 other positions. I just don't think it was the best move, but as I said I'm if he had it to do over Reese would be on his way here. There's a reason he had no other high major d1 offers, his list looked about like washpuns."

"And according to maxpreps he averaged:
Freshman: ?
Sophomore: 8.1
Junior: 10.1
Senior: 9.5

So he BARELY averaged double figured 1 time in his HS career.

If conference play rolls around and this guy is playing, and contributing, I'll gladly admit I was wrong.

It's my opinion he won't, it's your opinion he will, obviously neither of us are going to change our opinions so lets just wait and see what happens.

If he turns out to be a contributor next year I'll be pleasantly surprised."


So basically the same questions I'm asking but with a slightly better player.
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And what where the dates of those posts?

Well before CCM proved he could pull 5* guys from KY and Duke. He has proven he knows what he is doing recruiting to this point and like i said until he makes me think otherwise I'll put my trust in him as far as recruiting goes.
 
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johnnybravo said:
That's what I'm saying also. I kinda think this kid would fall in the same category of possibly leaving because of better talent in the future.

At what point do we quit taking the kids that we would think will not see playing time?
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I don't know if peters is that guy...like I've said he has wisoncin and Illinois nipping at his heels...who'd Reese have after him?

Teams not named Kentucky do have some of these 4 year guys...like an aj Davis for example.

Its also hard if you're not named Kentucky to sign 5 five stars...so if you're CCM why hold the scholly for next year. You'll have 3 or 4 already for next year, do you think well really sign more than 3 or 4 elite players? I don't. So he probably feels peters is > Reese and would be a better 4 year role player.

I don't know that it's taking guys you know wont see the floor. When we took Reese it was what a yea ago? At that time he probably thought Reese would see the floor, now he realizes he probably wont, but thinks peters will.

I think he's just trying to upgrade wherever possible, and I like that.
 
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Watched his highlight clips. Really good stroke, love the follow thru, seems to be a lost fundamental in a lot of players these days. Unfortunately didn't see any defense, not that he doesn't play it, the editors just didn't show it.

I think he's a better Ryan Childress, better stroke, (twss), better fundamentals. We'll see.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Somewhere in that range seems about right, it'll deped who we get to go along with nichols(assuming we get him).

It'd be scarier if he could coach that taken though, or if he hadn't cancelled the series with us and we had to even think about them.
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And that is the one area he has not been able to capitalize on. I think his biggest issue is discipline. Pastner has yet to demand the kind of respect compared to what Martin receives. Recruits considering Memphis is because of the brand and history of players getting to the NBA. Nothing wrong with that.
 
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SlyStone said:
And that is the one area he has not been able to capitalize on. I think his biggest issue is discipline. Pastner has yet to demand the kind of respect compared to what Martin receives. Recruits considering Memphis is because of the brand and history of players getting to the NBA. Nothing wrong with that.
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Not at all. He's gotten smarter and isn't taking all Memphis kids, as intriguing as it is, some of those boys need to leave their crew.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
I don't know if peters is that guy...like I've said he has wisoncin and Illinois nipping at his heels...who'd Reese have after him?

Teams not named Kentucky do have some of these 4 year guys...like an aj Davis for example.

Its also hard if you're not named Kentucky to sign 5 five stars...so if you're CCM why hold the scholly for next year. You'll have 3 or 4 already for next year, do you think well really sign more than 3 or 4 elite players? I don't. So he probably feels peters is > Reese and would be a better 4 year role player.

I don't know that it's taking guys you know wont see the floor. When we took Reese it was what a yea ago? At that time he probably thought Reese would see the floor, now he realizes he probably wont, but thinks peters will.

I think he's just trying to upgrade wherever possible, and I like that.
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Well, you can have faith in CCM decisions, but you can still have an opinion of your own. You had one when Reese signed. So, at this point Peters is not a Vol. My question to you even though you trust CCM decision in offering Peters a scholly, would you rather Peters not sign with the Vols?
 
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dlw4n said:
Memphis has a team of nothing but 4 and 5 star players now, and their only contributing 3 is Antonio Barton, who turned out to be way more than just a throw-in for his brother.

If Pastner can't get something done this year, with THAT team of mostly highly experienced talent, I'm pretty sure people are going to assume he can't get it done.
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As Ive said many times and I've seen Josh coach many times in person....Recruiting IS NOT his problem...He really needs to learn how to coach...not saying he cant learn but right now he is REALLY weak....and needs to get control of his team especially during the game...But I really like what CCM is doing with our team....Excited to see where we finally wind up in this years class...
 
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johnnybravo said:
Well, you can have faith in CCM decisions, but you can still have an opinion of your own. You had one when Reese signed. So, at this point Peters is not a Vol. My question to you even though you trust CCM decision in offering Peters a scholly, would you rather Peters not sign with the Vols?
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And keep the scholly or use it on someone else?
 
#43
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bleedingTNorange said:
And keep the scholly or use it on someone else?
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I don't think there will be a scholly to keep just looking at the numbers (assuming that Nichols commits). So correct me if I'm wrong, but really the only options are sign him and part ways with a current player at the end of the season. Or don't sign him and keep our roster the way it is and if someone is asked to leave or leaves on their own, then that scholly will be available for next years class for a potentially better player than Peters. So basically, the question is do you think CCM will be able to sign a better player next year than Peters.
 
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johnnybravo said:
I don't think there will be a scholly to keep just looking at the numbers (assuming that Nichols commits). So correct me if I'm wrong, but really the only options are sign him and part ways with a current player at the end of the season. Or don't sign him and keep our roster the way it is and if someone is asked to leave or leaves on their own, then that scholly will be available for next years class for a potentially better player than Peters. So basically, the question is do you think CCM will be able to sign a better player next year than Peters.
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The staff is bringing in 5 this year, so there's another scholarship somewhere. Whether its stokes or someone they think is likely to leave, the staff is bringing in 5 players.

Now, do I think the staff can bring in someone better than peters next year? Absolutely. However, we likely will bring in 4 next year, so the real question is do I think we can bring in 4 guys next year all better than Peters?

I don't know that we are to that point, you're talking about signing 4 top 150 guys if that's the case. We are all happy with this class and that'll be 2 top 150 guys, so not sure how realistic it is to expect 4 next year.

So with that said, if it's take Peters or hold the scholarship I take Peters. If next year comes around and you find you need a scholarship for a top 150 guy, then maybe he's the guy you part with, but if I'm CCM that's a chance I take.

The way I view it is this...Reese is the low man on the totem pole figuratively, basically least talented or unheralded...so is peters > Reese? IMO yes without question. If next year Peters is low man(and he may not be, maybe chievous shows nothing or job regresses) then you play the same game if you need to...if you have a top 150 guy you need room for you say well is X > than Peters(or whoever the low man maybe).

I think we are progressing properly in the sense that last year it was washpun, this year it's Reese who's better than washpun, and next year it may be peters who is better than Reese...so I think that overall that shows an increase in talent in our depth. We however IMO aren't to the point where our low guys are top 150 guys, like a duke has...and that what we are striving for it'd appear.

If Peters is the least talented player on the roster you're doing well in regards to recruiting. That puts you to a point to where you can basically offer JUST guys you truly want and are highly ranked a la duke, Kentucky etc etc etc because if you miss and don't fill all your scholarships, you've got talented guys on your roster who can step in. Like I said, it's a great sign IMO that CCM is trying to make the bottom of the roster more talented.

JMO
 
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BTO and JB, I have been a little confused with his tactics for this '13 class. IMO, Martin is not an idiot, and he knows what he's doing. If it's still really funky after the last signing period, then I'll be concerned.
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
BTO and JB, I have been a little confused with his tactics for this '13 class. IMO, Martin is not an idiot, and he knows what he's doing. If it's still really funky after the last signing period, then I'll be concerned.
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What do you mean by "really funky"...

Bringing in a guy like peters?
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
I thought the Davis commitment and Peters offer were funkily timed considering Williams and Nichols are still not committed anywhere.
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We aren't good enough to hold out on guys like j3 and Nichols that's the simple truth. We aren't at a level where we can turn away a player the quality of Davis.

Now did the peters offer have something to do with J3, definitely a chance, however it had nothing to do with Nichols.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
We aren't good enough to hold out on guys like j3 and Nichols that's the simple truth. We aren't at a level where we can turn away a player the quality of Davis.

Now did the peters offer have something to do with J3, definitely a chance, however it had nothing to do with Nichols.
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Yeah that's pretty much what I was inferring from the situation. I just never explicitly thought of it like that until you explained it. That makes sense.
 
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