Update on Nichols and offer to Alec Peters

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Chris4Vols22 said:
BTO and JB, I have been a little confused with his tactics for this '13 class. IMO, Martin is not an idiot, and he knows what he's doing. If it's still really funky after the last signing period, then I'll be concerned.
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Yeah, the Peters move still just does not make a lot of sense. He's not the calibre of player that we've been recriuting all year. Seems kind of "desperation" type move to me.
 
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johnnybravo said:
Yeah, the Peters move still just does not make a lot of sense. He's not the calibre of player that we've been recriuting all year. Seems kind of "desperation" type move to me.
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So what makes Davis but not Peters ok?

Both are 3*, borderline top 150 guys.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
So what makes Davis but not Peters ok?

Both are 3*, borderline top 150 guys.
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I think having Davis in the fold is what makes taking Peters not ok. Too much alike. If they are dead-set on taking another 3/4 type guy, in taking JW3 over Peter's all day. Maybe we don't like our chances with him though.
 
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cncchris33 said:
I think having Davis in the fold is what makes taking Peters not ok. Too much alike. If they are dead-set on taking another 3/4 type guy, in taking JW3 over Peter's all day. Maybe we don't like our chances with him though.
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That makes sense, absolutely.

However, I don't see us taking Peters if J3 wants to be here, I'd expect the staff to know J3's answer before taking Peters.
 
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Too many chiefs and not enough Indians on the court is not the way to be successful. Coaches look for pieces to a puzzle.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
According to people who write articles about borderline top 150 guys.

Or according to those who where in the top 150 but have fallen out.

Thanks for playing.
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You've got to be more specific than that. Are these random internet "scouts," biased regional journalists, or legitimate, reliable sources? I've never seen Peters mentioned as a borderline Top 150 player, and his 247 composite of 266 would back that up. I've seen Davis mentioned as a guy who can rise up to that area if he adds a bit more physicality to his game, but I've never seen him mentioned as an actual t150 guy.

It's silly to dismiss players based off of rankings, but I found your comment that both of these two players were "borderline top 150 guys" curious.
 
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GatorsGators said:
You've got to be more specific than that. Are these random internet "scouts," biased regional journalists, or legitimate, reliable sources? I've never seen Peters mentioned as a borderline Top 150 player, and his 247 composite of 266 would back that up. I've seen Davis mentioned as a guy who can rise up to that area if he adds a bit more physicality to his game, but I've never seen him mentioned as an actual t150 guy.

It's silly to dismiss players based off of rankings, but I found your comment that both of these two players were "borderline top 150 guys" curious.
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Davis WAS top 150, dropped out and the only site thy goes over 150 is 247, he's 170 according to them...so very close.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
CCM has shown to have a good eye, and get in on guys before the big boys...see hubbs and Nichols.

Peters is an ole Indiana boy, arguably one of the best pure shooters in the 2013 class. One of our huge weaknesses has been consistent perimeter shooting, having a 6'7" guy who can shoot over a zone or defender shouldn't be taken for granted and would be welcomed on this very team.

Wisconsin and Illinois are close to offering and are trying to convince him to wait until spring to committ so they can see if they have room, looks like Martin is just trying to beat them to it.

Fwiw...this isn't a guy we just randomly offered, Martin and staff have been scouting him all summer, I'll trust their judgment.
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Not to split hairs, but Washington, Illinois (Peoria area) is, well, in Illinois, not Indiana.
 
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VegasBaby! said:
Not to split hairs, but Washington, Illinois (Peoria area) is, well, in Illinois, not Indiana.
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I should've clarified...I know he's from Illinois, the Indiana was the reference to the type of player.

White, unathletic, fundamentally sound, tall wing who has great form and can shoot the lights out.
 
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Also, I've seen Peters will play the 2/3 in college, and Davis will play the 4.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Peters is...arguably one of the best pure shooters in the 2013 class. One of our huge weaknesses has been consistent perimeter shooting, having a 6'7" guy who can shoot over a zone or defender shouldn't be taken for granted and would be welcomed on this very team.
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Based on his shooting numbers last year, I don't see it. Has he drastically improved his shot since then?

Last season Peters hit 43% of his 3-point attempts and 52% of his 2-pointers, which are very good numbers but far from extraordinary on the HS level. He did shoot 87% from the FT line, which is outstanding. Not impressed with his rebounding, though: 6.4 average with just 1.6 offensive boards per game.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
I should've clarified...I know he's from Illinois, the Indiana was the reference to the type of player.

White, unathletic, fundamentally sound, tall wing who has great form and can shoot the lights out.
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Ouch! So I guess Hoosier natives Oscar Robinson, Shawn Kemp, Eric Gordon, Glenn Robinson, Quinn Buckner, Jared Jeffries, Zack Randolph, Sean May, Alan Henderson, Calvert Cheany, Bill Garrett, Greg Graham, Mike Woodson, JuJuan Johnson, E'Twaun Moore, Ricky Hall, to name a few, all fit the "ole Indiana boy" description.
 
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kamoshika said:
Based on his shooting numbers last year, I don't see it. Has he drastically improved his shot since then?

Last season Peters hit 43% of his 3-point attempts and 52% of his 2-pointers, which are very good numbers but far from extraordinary on the HS level. He did shoot 87% from the FT line, which is outstanding. Not impressed with his rebounding, though: 6.4 average with just 1.6 offensive boards per game.
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If he's shooting 3's and taking jump shots, how many offensive rebounds would you like him to have?

Your standards might be too high. His rankings fits his stats. He's not 5* SG John Jenkins who shot 71% from 2 and 46% from 3. Although his three point percentage isn't a lot higher. I know nothing about the competition either one plays but it wouldn't be all that surprising if you're facing more talented players across the board in Illinois than in Tennessee. Obviously John Jenkins is better and one has nothing to do with other but it seems like you're expecting a 3* to put up elite numbers or something. If he was putting up the numbers that you think he should be putting up, he wouldn't have been given a 3* ranking.

If he is in fact a shooter, his shooting percentage and rebounding isn't all that bad for 6'7 200lb. Hard to grab boards if you're playing around the perimeter.

I'm just going by Bleeding that he's a shooter. I haven't seen him play or anything. His numbers don't seem bad though given his ranking.
 
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VegasBaby! said:
Ouch! So I guess Hoosier natives Oscar Robinson, Shawn Kemp, Eric Gordon, Glenn Robinson, Quinn Buckner, Jared Jeffries, Zack Randolph, Sean May, Alan Henderson, Calvert Cheany, Bill Garrett, Greg Graham, Mike Woodson, JuJuan Johnson, E'Twaun Moore, Ricky Hall, to name a few, all fit the "ole Indiana boy" description.
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No... because they're not white, unathletic and a lot of them aren't wing players.
 
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TOP said:
If he's shooting 3's and taking jump shots, how many offensive rebounds would you like him to have?

Your standards might be too high. His rankings fits his stats. He's not 5* SG John Jenkins who shot 71% from 2 and 46% from 3. Although his three point percentage isn't a lot higher. I know nothing about the competition either one plays but it wouldn't be all that surprising if you're facing more talented players across the board in Illinois than in Tennessee. Obviously John Jenkins is better and one has nothing to do with other but it seems like you're expecting a 3* to put up elite numbers or something. If he was putting up the numbers that you think he should be putting up, he wouldn't have been given a 3* ranking.

If he is in fact a shooter, his shooting percentage and rebounding isn't all that bad for 6'7 200lb. Hard to grab boards if you're playing around the perimeter.

I'm just going by Bleeding that he's a shooter. I haven't seen him play or anything. His numbers don't seem bad though given his ranking.
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I agree with a lot of this. His numbers say he's a prett good shooter. Even if he's wide open, 43% is still good even in practice. You should watch some of his highlights. He has a great stroke and will play the 3 with the hope he can eventually defend the 4 in time. He will be a good role player that knows how to move without the ball and hit shots off screens.
 
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VegasBaby! said:
Ouch! So I guess Hoosier natives Oscar Robinson, Shawn Kemp, Eric Gordon, Glenn Robinson, Quinn Buckner, Jared Jeffries, Zack Randolph, Sean May, Alan Henderson, Calvert Cheany, Bill Garrett, Greg Graham, Mike Woodson, JuJuan Johnson, E'Twaun Moore, Ricky Hall, to name a few, all fit the "ole Indiana boy" description.
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Look somebody knows how to use google...
 
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zjcvols said:
Also, I've seen Peters will play the 2/3 in college, and Davis will play the 4.
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Yes. Peters will be a wing and will project as a 3 in college. No way he eventually guards a 2 but bulk him up to guard a 4 in certain games. Davis will grow into being more of a 4/3 player that will be expected to play a little more on the inside but has an outside game. They are similar players now but won't be at the next level IMO.
 
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VegasBaby! said:
Ouch! So I guess Hoosier natives Oscar Robinson, Shawn Kemp, Eric Gordon, Glenn Robinson, Quinn Buckner, Jared Jeffries, Zack Randolph, Sean May, Alan Henderson, Calvert Cheany, Bill Garrett, Greg Graham, Mike Woodson, JuJuan Johnson, E'Twaun Moore, Ricky Hall, to name a few, all fit the "ole Indiana boy" description.
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actually if you drop the white part quite a few of those guys do fit that mold. Glenn Robinson especially
 
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VegasBaby! said:
Ouch! So I guess Hoosier natives Oscar Robinson, Shawn Kemp, Eric Gordon, Glenn Robinson, Quinn Buckner, Jared Jeffries, Zack Randolph, Sean May, Alan Henderson, Calvert Cheany, Bill Garrett, Greg Graham, Mike Woodson, JuJuan Johnson, E'Twaun Moore, Ricky Hall, to name a few, all fit the "ole Indiana boy" description.
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Ever seen the movie hoosiers? That's the reference. Really didn't think I needed to elaborate, next time I'll keep you in mind though and be sure to.

It was just a reference to being a pure shooter, with great form, and fundamentals being one of your biggest strengths. Usually not the most athletic player, but get the job done and will absolutely give it your all every play...and once again just a good ole' shooter.
 
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It's not hard to pick the obvious talent. Some coaches can read between the lines and spot talent others can't see. I remember M L Carr was about to be dropped without waivers until
Auerbach called to inquire about him and he started the next game and played 15 years in the league. Lets hope coach is one of those coaches. GBO
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
I should've clarified...I know he's from Illinois, the Indiana was the reference to the type of player.

White, unathletic, fundamentally sound, tall wing who has great form and can shoot the lights out.
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Bleed - sounds like your prototypical Big 10 wing.
 
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Not gonna lie, I love watching Wisconsin play. Nothing wrong with wanting someone that they want. They are usually one of the most fundamentally sound teams in the country. Basically my second favorite bball team to watch after Tennessee.

Alec Peters would be a great 4 year player. A taller Skylar.
 
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CAVol said:
Not gonna lie, I love watching Wisconsin play. Nothing wrong with wanting someone that they want. They are usually one of the most fundamentally sound teams in the country. Basically my second favorite bball team to watch after Tennessee.

Alec Peters would be a great 4 year player. A taller Skylar.
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Bingo.

And seeing as how CCM is a big 10 guy, who was a big wing who could shoot and was a fundamental guy, you can see why he's attracted to Peters.

As long as we get Nichols I really don't give a sh*t who the 5th is, but Peters would be a nice fit.
 
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