Urban Meyer Is a Dirt Bag!

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jpope9 said:
Well in our defense we did it to keep a dirt bag coach from getting in....lol
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The Twitter mob didn't keep him out because he is (maybe) a dirtbag. They threw a fit because Schiano was not a big name coach who appeared on anyone's list and appeared to be a backdoor Haslam hire. Them saying "he might have known about the Sandusky thing at Penn St" just makes their argument sound more convincing. If Gruden or a big name coach had the identical baggage, it would have been overlooked.

Schiano was only very tangentially connected to the Penn St thing anyway. Mike McQueary claimed in his testimony that another coach (Tom Bradley) told him that Schiano told him he saw something. It was 3rd hand hearsay, and wasn't even admitted as evidence in the trial.

I was in a really awkward spot during that whole thing. I find the idea of social media mobs stupid and funny, yet I happened to agree with what the Vol Twitter mob was saying (that Schiano was a terrible hire) but was suspicious of their claimed reasons for doing so.
 
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Another day, another twist and turn in the Zach Smith scandal plaguing Ohio State.

The Toledo Blade reported Monday that the former Ohio State wide receivers coach was arrested in 2013 for operating a vehicle while intoxicated (OVI). He was reportedly pulled over in the early hours of Feb. 13, 2013 going 67 mph -- 17 mph over the speed limit -- and refused a breathalyzer test. He struggled with the ensuing field sobriety test, posted bond and was released later that morning.

Zach Smith arrested for OVI in 2013, charge reduced
 
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05_never_again said:
The Twitter mob didn't keep him out because he is (maybe) a dirtbag. They threw a fit because Schiano was not a big name coach who appeared on anyone's list and appeared to be a backdoor Haslam hire. Them saying "he might have known about the Sandusky thing at Penn St" just makes their argument sound more convincing. If Gruden or a big name coach had the identical baggage, it would have been overlooked.

Schiano was only very tangentially connected to the Penn St thing anyway. Mike McQueary claimed in his testimony that another coach (Tom Bradley) told him that Schiano told him he saw something. It was 3rd hand hearsay, and wasn't even admitted as evidence in the trial.

I was in a really awkward spot during that whole thing. I find the idea of social media mobs stupid and funny, yet I happened to agree with what the Vol Twitter mob was saying (that Schiano was a terrible hire) but was suspicious of their claimed reasons for doing so.
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I’d say a huge number of the protesters don’t know a damn thing about football. Not saying the vast majority but a number of the loudest. And the politicians who responded and put the heat on prolly only catch a game when they need to be seen during fund raising.
 
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05_never_again said:
Any other fanbase, particular the fanbase of a big school, would have fans doing the exact same thing.

People in glass houses (i.e., the fanbase of any university) shouldn't throw stones. One day it'll be your school in the headlines.
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Eh. Who cares. If some Volunteer fans are on the wrong side of a situation I am fine with them being called out on it. That blanket doesn't cover everybody anyway.

Schiano isn't here because the right people really didn't like him as a person, and that made it to the desk of some very important people just in time. Him being an average HC wasn't going to trump that we agree.
 
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Hoosier_Vol said:
Another day, another twist and turn in the Zach Smith scandal plaguing Ohio State.

The Toledo Blade reported Monday that the former Ohio State wide receivers coach was arrested in 2013 for operating a vehicle while intoxicated (OVI). He was reportedly pulled over in the early hours of Feb. 13, 2013 going 67 mph -- 17 mph over the speed limit -- and refused a breathalyzer test. He struggled with the ensuing field sobriety test, posted bond and was released later that morning.

Zach Smith arrested for OVI in 2013, charge reduced
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ESPN's Dan Murphy reported that Smith did not tell head coach Urban Meyer about the incident.
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Does anyone really believe that an arrest of a major college staff member could be hidden so well? I don't.
 
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butchna said:
I’d say a huge number of the protesters don’t know a damn thing about football. Not saying the vast majority but a number of the loudest. And the politicians who responded and put the heat on prolly only catch a game when they need to be seen during fund raising.
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I think Vol Twitter follows football pretty closely, and in particular the coaching search after Butch pretty closely. They were fired up about getting either Gruden or some other coach much higher up on people's lists. They became enraged when a guy whose name wasn't even showing up on many lists until the last second was hired and it had all the hallmarks of a Haslam power move. However, if you're going to throw a fit, "he ain't good enough for us" or "the Haslams are out of control" doesn't sound all that convincing. Mentioning the Penn St scandal, even though he was extremely tangentially connected to it, makes it sound like you have a really serious argument. I totally agreed with the mob that Schiano was a poor hire for UT, but their claimed reason for doing so I think was disingenuous. If Gruden or some other coach who was widely desired by the fanbase was connected to Penn St in the same way Schiano was, it would be excused and ignored.

The politicians piled on only after they saw the mob form and wanted to get on the right side of it.
 
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05_never_again said:
I think Vol Twitter follows football pretty closely, and in particular the coaching search after Butch pretty closely. They were fired up about getting either Gruden or some other coach much higher up on people's lists. They became enraged when a guy whose name wasn't even showing up on many lists until the last second was hired and it had all the hallmarks of a Haslam power move. However, if you're going to throw a fit, "he ain't good enough for us" or "the Haslams are out of control" doesn't sound all that convincing. Mentioning the Penn St scandal, even though he was extremely tangentially connected to it, makes it sound like you have a really serious argument. I totally agreed with the mob that Schiano was a poor hire for UT, but their claimed reason for doing so I think was disingenuous. If Gruden or some other coach who was widely desired by the fanbase was connected to Penn St in the same way Schiano was, it would be excused and ignored.

The politicians piled on only after they saw the mob form and wanted to get on the right side of it.
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Some of politicians that got involved did so before the public grabbed their markers and poster boards. There were discussions being had before any of them went to social media. There were several within the AD (some of which are very well known and thought of) threatening to walk if he was hired.

Schiano was a perfect storm. He was a steaming pile without the Penn St connection. Nobody liked him as a person or as a coach.
 
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BeecherVol said:
Schiano was a perfect storm. He was a steaming pile without the Penn St connection. Nobody liked him as a person or as a coach.
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Yes, but the real attention grabber in the whole argument against him was the "but he might have known about child rape!" aspect of it. Raising hell on Twitter about Schiano being a bad fit at Tennessee, not a good coach, not a "big enough" hire, a strong arm move by a big booster, etc is a legitimate viewpoint to have but going on Twitter and getting mad about those things isn't enough to motivate the powers that be to actually drop the hire. I think the Twitter mob knew that and decided to fixate on something more sensational when making their argument.

As I keep saying Schiano was only very tangentially connected to the Penn St scandal. If the coach the Twitter mob really wanted had Schiano's identical baggage, there would be no outrage. It would be ignored or excused (e.g., "That is just hearsay!"). But even mentioning his name in connection with it turbocharged the argument and made it sound a lot more serious.
 
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05_never_again said:
Yes, but the real attention grabber in the whole argument against him was the "but he might have known about child rape!" aspect of it. Raising hell on Twitter about Schiano being a bad fit at Tennessee, not a good coach, not a "big enough" hire, a strong arm move by a big booster, etc is a legitimate viewpoint to have but going on Twitter and getting mad about those things isn't enough to motivate the powers that be to actually drop the hire. I think the Twitter mob knew that and decided to fixate on something more sensational when making their argument.

As I keep saying Schiano was only very tangentially connected to the Penn St scandal. If the coach the Twitter mob really wanted had Schiano's identical baggage, there would be no outrage. It would be ignored or excused (e.g., "That is just hearsay!"). But even mentioning his name in connection with it turbocharged the argument and made it sound a lot more serious.
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Im not making the assumption that the powers that be (AD personnel, boosters, former players and politicians) got involved after the public took to the streets and social media. The biggest players in why he's not here stood up before it ever got to the public. The public response was what made the headlines because thats a "better news story" and thats really all the media knew at the time. The major players did their work beforehand.

As I said early, Schiano was a POS without being connected to PSU. You combine that fact, with that possibility (regardless of how he was or wasn't involved) and you have a perception issue in the least. The national media clamored about how great a coach he is and would have been a great fit at UT, yet he's going into his 5 year without a HC gig. Maybe UT isn't the only outfit that see's him as an a-hole and a perception nightmare.
 
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LouderVol said:
got to wait on McMurphy to drop another bomb I guess.
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OSU has dug in with Meyer at this point. This is headed toward "he reported what happened" and the the AD/ somebody else dropped the ball.
The new info about the drunk driving arrest is an interesting piece. Im just curious if the "internal investigation" hasn't closed the door on any new facts being introduced that may not help acquit Meyer.

There will have to be something come out that they can't cover up and shift blame over to someone else for anything serious to happen to him.
 
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LouderVol said:
got to wait on McMurphy to drop another bomb I guess.
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Drop it the week of their first game. Would be epic. I hope they are letting him set his own trap, but deep down I know how this movie ends. I've rented it before.
 
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BeecherVol said:
The national media clamored about how great a coach he is and would have been a great fit at UT, yet he's going into his 5 year without a HC gig. Maybe UT isn't the only outfit that see's him as an a-hole and a perception nightmare.
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That's actually the most baffling part of the whole thing. The national media, which is about perception over anything else, was bemused at our fans' reaction because they thought he was a great hire. There were multiple pieces that instantly came out defending him. In a time with heightened sensitivity about even an allegation of sex crimes, I find it interesting that they weren't right there cheering on and praising Vol Twitter - in fact, many in the media (like Dan Wolken) were doing the exact opposite.

We'll just agree to disagree about what the genuine reason(s) was as to why the Schiano offer was pulled. I know there were tales of a full-blown mutiny within the athletic department pre-Schiano announcement, but again, do a hypothetical and think what if a coach that the rest of the AD and the fans were really excited about had the same baggage. There most likely isn't a mutiny, and there certainly isn't a Twitter mob about it. That's because the primary reason people were mad is because they really didn't think he was he a good coach and he was a bad fit at Tennessee in particular. Ours is a battered fan base that really wanted a big name coach and was immensely disappointed when a guy like Schiano was announced. Those reasons are fine and I am in total agreement with them. All I'm saying to the mob is just be honest about your reasons for being opposed.
 
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05_never_again said:
That's actually the most baffling part of the whole thing. The national media, which is about perception over anything else, was bemused at our fans' reaction because they thought he was a great hire. There were multiple pieces that instantly came out defending him. In a time with heightened sensitivity about even an allegation of sex crimes, I find it interesting that they weren't right there cheering on and praising Vol Twitter - in fact, many in the media (like Dan Wolken) were doing the exact opposite.

We'll just agree to disagree about what the genuine reason(s) was as to why the Schiano offer was pulled. I know there were tales of a full-blown mutiny within the athletic department pre-Schiano announcement, but again, do a hypothetical and think what if a coach that the rest of the AD and the fans were really excited about had the same baggage. There most likely isn't a mutiny, and there certainly isn't a Twitter mob about it. That's because the primary reason people were mad is because they really didn't think he was he a good coach and he was a bad fit at Tennessee in particular. Ours is a battered fan base that really wanted a big name coach and was immensely disappointed when a guy like Schiano was announced. Those reasons are fine and I am in total agreement with them. All I'm saying to the mob is just be honest about your reasons for being opposed.
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Wolken's angle was pretty simple, he was getting info. He lined up with his connection/friend AD Curry and when he did that he made himself a target along with his friend. It has been personal with him ever since and he is "getting his" so to speak.
As for the rest, the national media people (many of which really don't know what happened) they latched on to what they thought more people would interesting in reading about. "Crazy rednecks that don't want Schiano because of Penn St." Of course they're not gonna be asked why he went from Dec 13' to the present without being a HC. Given the right situation they would be on the other side of the story if they thought that benefited them. Thats why most of what they write is no longer worth the effort to try and understand.

And thats fine, I don't expect to agree with everyone. That isn't my opinion anyway but rather what I was told by somebody that has been "in the building" for several decades and was extremely active in getting the information out to those who actually pulled the plug.
The way it was put to me was that he was rather unanimously disliked from all of those groups I listed above. That doesn't mean everyone was against him or in the case of the AD ready to quit, but those that "would be done" were plenty and with clout. The booster division was very real and the fact that Haslem was in his own personal turmoil at the time made it easier to finally buck the trend.

I don't disagree that the fan base and even some of those of influence were not impressed with him as a coach. Having said that, I don't have to narrow it down to just that as the reason I didn't want him here either and see no reason why anyone else should be asked to.
 
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Not to beat a dead horse but I would be surprised if most of the PSU staff did not know about the molestation or at least heard something about it. Rumors etc.
The whole level of activity and the time period this occurred was off the charts. Kids traveling with the team, sleeping in Jerry's motel room. Come on man how gullible can people be.
People didn't want to believe it, people didn't want to get involved.

And then they hired Franklin, SMH
 
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