Urban Meyer to ND Depends on His wife

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Jaytrain5 said:
He may be able to recruit a little better at Florida, but he'll also have to regularly play UT, UGA, LSU, Auburn, and Bama...and a championship game as well.

At Notre Dame, he'll have an annual clash with SC, but that's about as bad as it gets...and there's no championship game to stumble in either. Theoretically, the road to the BCS is a lot easier from South Bend than it is from Gainesville.
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Not only is the schedule easier, ten wins locks you in.
 
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Vols420 said:
my whole point is the guy recruits great talent and he can coach. he did well at utah and has won at florida. its obserd to think he wont continue to do the same when your in a talent pool state like Florida. Given maybe he doesnt have the same success as he is having with right now with Tebow. But they are undefeated again while having a sub par year offensively. Why leave that situation to go to a school that you can't get the players in that are needed to win year in and year out.
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Thats fine, I was just saying that a player who runs and throws excellent doesn't exist. Most QBs don't run very well... and the guys that do run can't throw very well when facing good competition - Pat White, Vince Young, Michael Vick, tim tebow for instance. All QBs have a strength and its one or the other... so as a defense you can still scheme against strengths and weaknesses (i.e. force tebow to throw to the outside, something he doesn't do well at all).

If Meyer found another tebow that could drop back and throw with NFL proficiency... it would be almost impossible to defend... and that much more difficult when you factor in florida's typical talent advantage. Fortunately, as I mentioned earlier, such a player has not yet existed.
 
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General Jack said:
Thats fine, I was just saying that a player who runs and throws excellent doesn't exist. Most QBs don't run very well... and the guys that do run can't throw very well when facing good competition - Pat White, Vince Young, Michael Vick, tim tebow for instance. All QBs have a strength and its one or the other... so as a defense you can still scheme against strengths and weaknesses (i.e. force tebow to throw to the outside, something he doesn't do well at all).

If Meyer found another tebow that could drop back and throw with NFL proficiency... it would be almost impossible to defend... and that much more difficult when you factor in florida's typical talent advantage. Fortunately, as I mentioned earlier, such a player has not yet existed.
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i totally get ya. i was just saying with type of talent that he has around his qb he will still do well. i dont see any reason for a huge drop off. no i dont think we will see what he has done the past four years. but still belive Florida will be very good after Tebow
 
#29
#29
i just dont think he has to have tebow to do well. his track record states otherwise
 
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#30
All you guys acting like their will NEVER be another Tim Tebow.. We will see spread option QB's better than Tebow and I'll tell you why; The spread offense has "spread" down to the youth levels. Imagine little Tebows learning this system in Pop Warner and all the way through middle school.

I actually have many of Urban Meyers playbooks and I use some of the plays out of them for my 4th-6th grade teams.

There were many QB's like Tebow before he ever came along.
Trivia: Why does Tebow wear #15?
 
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CornPoke said:
All you guys acting like their will NEVER be another Tim Tebow.. We will see spread option QB's better than Tebow and I'll tell you why; The spread offense has "spread" down to the youth levels. Imagine little Tebows learning this system in Pop Warner and all the way through middle school.

I actually have many of Urban Meyers playbooks and I use some of the plays out of them for my 4th-6th grade teams.

There were many QB's like Tebow before he ever came along.
Trivia: Why does Tebow wear #15?
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I'll bite..Whys that??
 
#35
#35
A few things could help nudge Urb out the door. First, if Jimbo Fisher, or whoever replaces Deddy Bowden this year or next, can get things clicking in Tallahassee and proves to be an aggressive recruiter it is going to cut into UF's pie. Second, if the U keeps improving it is going to cut into UF's pie. Third, if Bama takes UF out in the SECCG it is going to take some shine off the apple.
 
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I personally don't think Meyer will go, because if ND does throw him a big offer, UF will just finally dish out the cash required to build the indoor practice facility he wants, and theyll probably bump his pay again as well.

As to whether or not he'll be successful without Tebow, I think he will. What people forget is that UF isn't all about Tebow. Tebow's heisman campaign = 9-4 for Florida.

Meyer really wins with balanced offense based on a strong running game and solid defense. Without going into the 2010 depth chart, UF looks to be quite good in 2010, and if Meyer stays, you can pretty much count on a 10 win season.
 
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One reason will make Urbie take ND. Cold, hard, cash money. If he gets his pay day, adios to G'ville. The guy could retire in 5 years if he flops at ND.

Also, the guy gets to play as an independent. No conf championship game to worry about. Yet still gets the respect of a BCS conference team. Easy schedule due to keeping tradition and playing service academies. Its an amazing gig.
 
#38
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Whether Meyer leaves for ND after the season remains to be seen. No one expected Spurrier to bolt after the 2001 season, so I'll remain cautiously optimistic he stays for the same reason many of you hope he leaves...he's a very successful coach who can recruit.

But for those of you thinking Meyer sinks or swims based on Tim Tebow's remaining eligibility, you're being awfully short-sighted. Meyer won at Bowling Green and Utah before coming to Florida. And if you've watched Florida play this year you could easily argue the Gators are winning in spite of Tebow, not because of him.

If Meyer leaves, so be it. But if he stays he will succeed regardless of who the QB is.
 
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I personally don't think Meyer will go, because if ND does throw him a big offer, UF will just finally dish out the cash required to build the indoor practice facility he wants, and theyll probably bump his pay again as well.
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I don't think that's right. Florida's AD said they only want a coach who wants to be there. He claimed that's why the buyout was so low. Why would he offer Meyer more money when they could have just made the buyout a lot bigger. You most likely wouldn't have to give Meyer a raise because other teams wouldn't want to foot the bill for his buyout. Florida wouldn't fire Meyer so the buyout being so low favors Meyer. It's a license to walk and Notre Dame may be the school.
 
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CornPoke said:
His favorite QB growing up was Tommie Frazier. I'd say Tommie could have worked in Meyers offense. The guy could actually throw. Something he wasn't given enough credit for.
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Not sure where you heard that. Tebow has said on numerous occasions his favorite college QB growing up was Danny Wuerffel.

Also, Tebow wore #5 in high school and wanted to wear that number at UF, but Bubba Caldwell was a returning junior and had worn #5 since his freshman year. Tebow made the swtich to #15 for that reason.

He may have been a Tommie Frazier fan, but he wanted to wear #5 at UF, not #15.
 
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AFL2008 said:
I personally don't think Meyer will go, because if ND does throw him a big offer, UF will just finally dish out the cash required to build the indoor practice facility he wants, and theyll probably bump his pay again as well.

As to whether or not he'll be successful without Tebow, I think he will. What people forget is that UF isn't all about Tebow. Tebow's heisman campaign = 9-4 for Florida.

Meyer really wins with balanced offense based on a strong running game and solid defense. Without going into the 2010 depth chart, UF looks to be quite good in 2010, and if Meyer stays, you can pretty much count on a 10 win season.
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Best post on this thread.

Meyer's success at UF has been due primarily to an extremely stingy defense and solid special teams.

In hindsight, landing Percy Harvin didn't hurt either.

Tebow's best year statistically resulted in a 4-loss season because the defense was inexperienced.
 
#42
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Without tebow, spikes and Charlie Strong (perhaps), there is nowhere to go but down. But "down" for the gators in this era is a 9-3/8-4 type regular season... With the talent in florida, 9 wins is so easy a caveman could do it.

So in a related matter, caveman > Zook
 
#43
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Florida will be fine post-Tebow. They're still going to be a top 5 program. But their days of dominating the SEC and reeling of 2 to 3 national championships in a 3 to 4 year span are over.
 
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Mr. Two Bits said:
Right. Defense and special teams don't really matter as long as if have that third a short guy. :crazy:
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It's hard to win when you don't have the right personnel to run a desired offense. Without Tebow coming in to pick up 3rd and short you don't beat us in 06 and you don't win a championship. I guess that isn't important at all though.
 
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Mr. Two Bits said:
Right. Defense and special teams don't really matter as long as if have that third a short guy. :crazy:
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Yea, I guess we can only judge Meyer from when he didn't have that "third and short guy." That year he ended up in the Outback.
 
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kiffinator13 said:
Yea, I guess we can only judge Meyer from when he didn't have that "third and short guy." That year he ended up in the Outback.
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can you not judge him by what he also did at utah and bowling green??? i hate the guy but you cant take away that he is a good coach.
 
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