Urban Meyer to ND Depends on His wife

#76
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Lawrence Wright said:
Um, UF's offense has been pedestrian this year WITH Tebow.

Last season defenses had to account for Harvin in the slot and Murphy on the outside, which opened up all sorts of running lanes for Tebow. This year has been much tougher.
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And yet imagine how much more pedestrian it would be if you were punting an average amount. You've punted only 28 times in 10 games, which is among the lowest in the country. Your punter hasn't even punted enough to qualify for the NCAA leaders list. Maybe your offense is having trouble in the red zone, but it's sustaining drives better than just about anybody, and it's doing it in a defensive-heavy league like the SEC. Take Tebow away and terminate 20 of those drives earlier, and you guys aren't undefeated. Maybe he's not playing well this year, but he's still the most irreplacable player in the SEC.
 
#77
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tvolsfan said:
Kelly is good, but do you actually think he's better than Meyer?
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Considering what he has done at Cincinnati, I am saying imagine what he could do with the location, prestige and resources at a place like Florida?

I know he is not going there but just an example to be careful what you wish for because the next guy might just be better than Meyer.

Who knows, maybe Meyer is the absolute best guy Florida could ever get but it's always a gamble when coaches start moving around. Who was Urban Meyer when Utah hired him from Bowling Green? Brian Kelly could be that next big time guy, or someone else.
 
#78
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Vercingetorix said:
And yet imagine how much more pedestrian it would be if you were punting an average amount. You've punted only 28 times in 10 games, which is among the lowest in the country. Your punter hasn't even punted enough to qualify for the NCAA leaders list. Maybe your offense is having trouble in the red zone, but it's sustaining drives better than just about anybody, and it's doing it in a defensive-heavy league like the SEC. Take Tebow away and terminate 20 of those drives earlier, and you guys aren't undefeated. Maybe he's not playing well this year, but he's still the most irreplacable player in the SEC.
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UF's red zone production has been my biggest gripe with Tebow this season.

The punt stat is misleading because UF moves the ball well between the 20s, then more often than not we wind up settling for FGs. We missed 3 against South Carolina.

Couple that with the red zone turnover fests against Arkansas and Mississippi State, you have a clearer picture as to why UF hasn't punted all that much this season.

You give Tebow FAR too much credit.
 
#79
#79
615 Vol said:
Considering what he has done at Cincinnati, I am saying imagine what he could do with the location, prestige and resources at a place like Florida?

I know he is not going there but just an example to be careful what you wish for because the next guy might just be better than Meyer.

Who knows, maybe Meyer is the absolute best guy Florida could ever get but it's always a gamble when coaches start moving around. Who was Urban Meyer when Utah hired him from Bowling Green? Brian Kelly could be that next big time guy, or someone else.
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If I were a Florida fan, I'd want Meyer to stay about three or four more years and then bolt for the NFL or Notre Dame or something, because Foley's the best AD in the country and I'd trust him to go out and find the next up and coming great coach. I would want to employ coaches during the "prove it" part of their careers, not while they're prepping for retirement.

My attitude towards the ND rumors would be something like, "Well, it's sooner than I would like for him to go, but I'd rather err on the side of that than to keep him around forever." Florida dodged a huge bullet when Spurrier left for the NFL (sure, things were bad during the Zook Era, but imagine if Spurrier were still there now; he'd be harder to get rid of than Fulmer), and the worst thing they could would be to fail to realize it and match something crazy like a 10-year contract. I hope they do.
 
#81
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Lawrence Wright said:
UF's red zone production has been my biggest gripe with Tebow this season.

The punt stat is misleading because UF moves the ball well between the 20s, then more often than not we wind up settling for FGs. We missed 3 against South Carolina.

Couple that with the red zone turnover fests against Arkansas and Mississippi State, you have a clearer picture as to why UF hasn't punted all that much this season.

You give Tebow FAR too much credit.
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You're missing the point. Yes, you've been crummy in the red zone, but at least you're getting there. You've had almost twice as many drives inside the red zone as you have punts. Even if your conversion rate is not good, the fact that you're getting all those opportunities -- thanks to sustaining those drives, which is thanks to what Tebow does on 3rd and short -- means that you're still scoring more points than teams that are good in the red zone but can't sustain drives as well. That's why you're 94th in red zone offense, but 14th in scoring offense.

Your red zone offense has been crummy because you lack playmakers, your offensive coordinator left, and Tebow's just not a very good passer. But you underestimate what a huge benefit sustaining all those extra drives is to begin with. If you took your existing red zone offense and added an average number of punts to the mix, you'd have at least three losses. Tebow is having a mediocre year, but moving the chains inside the 20s -- which nobody does better than him, and which you sneer at -- has kept your team undefeated.
 
#82
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Vercingetorix said:
You're missing the point. Yes, you've been crummy in the red zone, but at least you're getting there. You've had almost twice as many drives inside the red zone as you have punts. Even if your conversion rate is not good, the fact that you're getting all those opportunities -- thanks to sustaining those drives, which is thanks to what Tebow does on 3rd and short -- means that you're still scoring more points than teams that are good in the red zone but can't sustain drives as well. That's why you're 94th in red zone offense, but 14th in scoring offense.

Your red zone offense has been crummy because you lack playmakers, your offensive coordinator left, and Tebow's just not a very good passer. But you underestimate what a huge benefit sustaining all those extra drives is to begin with. If you took your existing red zone offense and added an average number of punts to the mix, you'd have at least three losses. Tebow is having a mediocre year, but moving the chains inside the 20s -- which nobody does better than him, and which you sneer at -- has kept your team undefeated.
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And I maintain our defense has had a bigger impact on our team's success than Tebow and the offense bogging down inside the red zone.

We can agree to disagree.
 
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#83
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VOLinthaATL said:
Please. When you can line up your qb as a battering ram on 3rd and 4th and short and convert 95% of the time it's a HUGE advantage in keeping drives alive. He deserves all the credit he gets.
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I give him and Addazio full credit for UF's poor TD% in the red zone.
 
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615 Vol said:
Considering what he has done at Cincinnati, I am saying imagine what he could do with the location, prestige and resources at a place like Florida?

I know he is not going there but just an example to be careful what you wish for because the next guy might just be better than Meyer.

Who knows, maybe Meyer is the absolute best guy Florida could ever get but it's always a gamble when coaches start moving around. Who was Urban Meyer when Utah hired him from Bowling Green? Brian Kelly could be that next big time guy, or someone else.
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Urban's accomplishments at BGSU and Utah were more impressive than Kelly's accomplishments at Cincy. By far.
 
#87
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VOLinthaATL said:
Umm. So he got worse from last year and the year before? I think not. Now he has nowhere near the playmakers he's accustomed too...
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He's regressed as a QB from last year to this year. He's missed wide open receivers and his decision making has been suspect for a 4th year starter.
 
#88
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VOLinthaATL said:
You've got to be kidding me. Please go read up on Cincinnati football history. It's at least on the same plane.
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No it isn't. I'm not sure D'antonio wouldn't have had the same success if he had stayed.

Meyer took an awful BGSU squad to 10-2 in 2 years, and then a mediocre Utah team to 12-0 with a dominating BCS bowl win in just 2 years, and left the program in such good shape that it repeated the feat just a few years later. He seems to have proven he can win instantly, and now as much as everyone seems to hate it, he's shown he can win with his own guys. Anyways, Cincy this year looks a lot like Texas Tech last year. The difference is, they don't have to go to play a team like last years OU team on the road.

Meyer > Kelly.
 
#89
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tvolsfan said:
No it isn't. I'm not sure D'antonio wouldn't have had the same success if he had stayed.

Meyer took an awful BGSU squad to 10-2 in 2 years, and then a mediocre Utah team to 12-0 with a dominating BCS bowl win in just 2 years, and left the program in such good shape that it repeated the feat just a few years later. He seems to have proven he can win instantly, and now as much as everyone seems to hate it, he's shown he can win with his own guys. Anyways, Cincy this year looks a lot like Texas Tech last year. The difference is, they don't have to go to play a team like last years OU team on the road.

Meyer > Kelly.
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I disagree. Again. Go check Cincinnati football history and report back with your findings and lay out the what Kelly has done since he has been there and explain why it's not on the same plane as Meyer. You just did it for Urban. Please do it for Kelly. Thanks.
 
#90
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VolDad said:
Just a guess but I bet UF’s conversion percentage of 3rd / 4th and short has been greater under Tebow than at any other time in the last 30 years.

What do you think?
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I think I will let you do the research on that one, but it is certainly plausible. I'm not downlpaying his value in picking up 3rd and 4th and short, I'm just saying that UF football had success before Timmy came along and it won't go into the tank after he leaves.
 
#91
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VOLinthaATL said:
I disagree. Again. Go check Cincinnati football history and report back with your findings and lay out the what Kelly has done since he has been there and explain why it's not on the same plane as Meyer. You just did it for Urban. Please do it for Kelly. Thanks.
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Cincy had their share of bad to average years in the years leading up to Dantonio. Dantonio began to turn it around when he arrived. Kelly took over and basically built more on that success. He's done well, but I think Dantonio would be in a similar situation right now. Pitt is the second best team in the conference and they lost to Maryland or someone else who was terrible. I don't think this Cincy team could beat the Utah team from a few years ago.
 
#92
#92
I'm Urban Meyer. Here's how I view it...

Reasons to stay at Florida:
- Great recruiting base.
- Built a juggernaut.
- Gators love me.
- Opportunity to kick Kiffin on the field every year.
- Great weather.

Reasons to go to ND:
- Miami is rising & FSU is a coach away from being good. That will cut into my recruiting the state of Florida.
- I would be leaving Florida on a high note.
- Don't have to contend with SEC powers.
- No conference championship game.
- I'm young enough to become a legend at ND.
- Much easier path to BCS and NC game.
- Media loves ND. I'd be part of that.
- Kiffin may start kicking me on the field every year. No way I could tolerate that.
- Losing Tebow.
- ND schedule is full of cupcakes, except USC. However, USC under sanctions won't be as good so the next ND coach is likely to pick up wins against USC.
- If I turn down ND and they hire a skilled coach with staying power, I've just passed up the opportunity to achieve my coaching dream.

This is a no-brainer. I'm headed for South Bend as soon as Weiss gets the axe.
 
#93
#93
I'm a Brian Kelly fan, he's the antithesis of fulmer, a chronic overachiever. To fully appreciate what he's done at Cincinnati, consider the talent he's had to work with. Following are the past 5 recruiting class ranks per Rivals.

2009 - 60th currently freshman
2008 - 67th currently sophmores
2007 - 89th currently juniors
2006 - 102nd currently seniors
2005 - 94th currently redshirt seniors

On his 2009 squad, and again per Rivals, he has (0) 5* recruits, and (2) 4* recruits, a handful of 3*s and the rest 2*. Total on the team. Oh, and both 4* guys are freshmen.

So basically, he's undefeated and winning a BSC conference with upperclassmen that averaged being the ~95th best recruiting class.

The man can coach.
 
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#94
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The fact that the recruiting is still terrible is a problem. I'd definitely take Kiffin over him.
 
#95
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tvolsfan said:
Cincy had their share of bad to average years in the years leading up to Dantonio. Dantonio began to turn it around when he arrived. Kelly took over and basically built more on that success. He's done well, but I think Dantonio would be in a similar situation right now. Pitt is the second best team in the conference and they lost to Maryland or someone else who was terrible. I don't think this Cincy team could beat the Utah team from a few years ago.
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I forgot to mention what Kelly did at Central Michigan before Cincy...

They're on the same plane...
 
#96
#96
Meyer isn't going to ND... All the arrests and character issues surrounding him personally will prevent the Irish for making a serious push...His wife has almost zero to do with it. Look for Mike Kelly to get the job, assuming it actually comes open... Which, as of today, it hasn't.
 
#97
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tvolsfan said:
The fact that the recruiting is still terrible is a problem. I'd definitely take Kiffin over him.
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Recruiting definitely seems like a problem with Kelly... Its interesting that recruiting isn't better than it is... BUT it is improving. The 2009 class had the only 4* players going back as far as I looked, and the 2010 class is sitting at #42 right now... which is a big improvement, but obviously not elite.

I'm glad we got Kiffin, but I still say Brian Kelly is a dang good coach.
 
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