Urban Meyer to ND Depends on His wife

[Mr. Two Bits]

It's hard to win when you don't have the right personnel to run a desired offense. Without Tebow coming in to pick up 3rd and short you don't beat us in 06 and you don't win a championship. I guess that isn't important at all though.

That doesn't necessarily mean that UF couldn't have picked up a third and short without Tebow. You do realize that is isn't unheard of for a football team to pick up a third and short don't you?

 

[Lawrence Wright]

can you not judge him by what he also did at utah and bowling green???

That would require an admission that Meyer is a damn good football coach.

Meyer was successful before Tim Tebow, and he will be successful after Tim Tebow.

 

[Mr. Two Bits]

With Tebow getting every 3rd and short. How did it go in '05 without Tebow? Oh yea, the Outback Bowl.

Hey genius, it was Meyer's first year with a brand new system and another coach's players. Would it be any wonder that he only made to the bowl that you people are praying to get into this year? You people never cease to amaze.

 

[LawVol13]

Hey genius, it was Meyer's first year with a brand new system and another coach's players. Would it be any wonder that he only made to the bowl that you people are praying to get into this year? You people never cease to amaze.

Somehow, I don't think that Zook left the cupboard too bare. Meyer inherited a vastly more talented roster than Kiffin; therefore, it would be a great accomplishment for Kiffin to get us there this year. If we had national championship talent this year like you all did Meyer's first year, I probably would be disappointed with what Kiffin has done, but we don't.

 

[Lawrence Wright]

Somehow, I don't think that Zook left the cupboard too bare. Meyer inherited a vastly more talented roster than Kiffin; therefore, it would be a great accomplishment for Kiffin to get us there this year. If we had national championship talent this year like you all did Meyer's first year, I probably would be disappointed with what Kiffin has done, but we don't.

Meyer inherited a team that went 8-5 and got drummed by Miami in a bowl game the year before his arrival. They went 9-3 his first year and won the Outback Bowl.

I don't think any Gator fan had national championship aspirations for the 2006 season.

At some point you have to credit Meyer for being a damn good football coach. He won with another guy's players, many of which who didn't fit his system, then won another with his own guys.

 

[alumvol08]

That doesn't necessarily mean that UF couldn't have picked up a third and short without Tebow. You do realize that is isn't unheard of for a football team to pick up a third and short don't you?

Man you are sharp today. To honestly believe that any player can just pick up the short yardage downs that Tebow does almost every time he touches the field is just ridiculous. I forgot that we are talking about UF though and they are obviously superior in every category. Instead of trying to bash my novel idea that Tebow is going to be hard to replace for short yardage situations, why don't you name one of your players that is going to step up next year and take on this role? Or I guess you could do what you've been doing best and just be a prick. Brantley, Demps, Rainey, Moody? I know you all have had the first down/touchdown machine named Tebow the past four years, but for most teams a few yards isn't a given without a power runner.
IMO Moody has the best chance of being that guy, but it's still going to be a big change replacing Tebow for the offense.

 

[bamabobo]

His favorite QB growing up was Tommie Frazier. I'd say Tommie could have worked in Meyers offense. The guy could actually throw. Something he wasn't given enough credit for.

Add Charlie Ward to that. I think Tee Martin would have done well in it too.

 

[tvolsfan]

I still can't believe all the people trashing Urban Meyer. He is excellent. I hope he leaves. I think UT can compete with Florida even with Meyer here, but he's still one of the best, and I'd rather him be gone.

 

[LawVol13]

I still can't believe all the people trashing Urban Meyer. He is excellent. I hope he leaves. I think UT can compete with Florida even with Meyer here, but he's still one of the best, and I'd rather him be gone.

I'm not hating on Meyer. I think he's a great coach. But I'm sure it's crossing his mind that it can't get any better than what it currently is in Gainesville. The fact that some of their fans are *****ing and they are 10-0 speaks volumes. What happens when he loses 2 or 3 a year when Tebow leaves?

 

[catfish]

Hey genius, it was Meyer's first year with a brand new system and another coach's players. Would it be any wonder that he only made to the bowl that you people are praying to get into this year? You people never cease to amaze.

Shhh, around here Tebow is the reason Florida has accomplished anything in recent memory, including back-to-back basketball championships.

None of those third and shorts would have been picked up without Tebow. if he hadn't been there Meyer would have punted. It would have been pointless to try- Lord knows you can't pass the ball on third down, you HAVE to have a power runner.

Once he leaves Florida football falls back to levels reserved for Vanderbilt.

 

[VolDad]

Shhh, around here Herschel is the reason Georgia has accomplished anything in recent memory.

None of those third and shorts would have been picked up without Herschel. if he hadn't been there Dooley would have punted. It would have been pointless to try- Lord knows you can't pass the ball on third down, you HAVE to have a power runner.

Once he leaves Georgia football falls back to levels reserved for Florida.

 

[615 Vol]

I hope Urban stays at Florida. I would be more worried about someone like Brian Kelly going to Florida with all the resources they have or another pro-style offensive coach. That is a selling point to Tennessee for guys that want to be in that system and am glad Florida currently runs something different. It would make it harder to recruit against Florida, with some guys, if we ran the same offense.

Urban is a good coach but they have the prestige to replace him with a big name coach and it could make it worse for Tennessee. Maybe not but I hate to take that chance and I do think that Meyer is beatable once Kiffin has a couple more recruiting classes under him.

 

[tvolsfan]

Kelly is good, but do you actually think he's better than Meyer?

 

[AirVol]

Kelly will be the next coach at ND. CUM will stay.

 

[Mr. Two Bits]

Man you are sharp today. To honestly believe that any player can just pick up the short yardage downs that Tebow does almost every time he touches the field is just ridiculous. I forgot that we are talking about UF though and they are obviously superior in every category. Instead of trying to bash my novel idea that Tebow is going to be hard to replace for short yardage situations, why don't you name one of your players that is going to step up next year and take on this role? Or I guess you could do what you've been doing best and just be a prick. Brantley, Demps, Rainey, Moody? I know you all have had the first down/touchdown machine named Tebow the past four years, but for most teams a few yards isn't a given without a power runner.
IMO Moody has the best chance of being that guy, but it's still going to be a big change replacing Tebow for the offense.

Yes, you correct. Dear God, how will the Gators ever pick up a 3rd down and 2 ever again? The program never picked up a 3rd and two in its 100 years of existence before Tebow came along so we are screwed.

Bottom line- An offensive coordinator has many play selections at his disposal to use in 3rd and short situations. Just because UF has a horse in Tebow that is a reliable 3rd down and short option and they utilize him for that purpose does not mean they will never find anyone who cannot pick up a 3rd and short ever again. Next year's offense will look different and will utilize a combination of passes and and the running game with Brantley, Moody, Demps, Rainey, and Gillislee. The program will survive.

 

[VolDad]

Yes, you correct. Dear God, how will the Gators ever pick up a 3rd down and 2 ever again? The program never picked up a 3rd and two in its 100 years of existence before Tebow came along so we are screwed.

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Just a guess but I bet UF’s conversion percentage of 3rd / 4th and short has been greater under Tebow than at any other time in the last 30 years.

What do you think?

 

[Lawrence Wright]

Just a guess but I bet UF’s conversion percentage of 3rd / 4th and short has been greater under Tebow than at any other time in the last 30 years.

What do you think?

I think UF's last two national titles were won more because of exceptional defense than anything else.

What do you think?

 

[Vercingetorix]

Yes, you correct. Dear God, how will the Gators ever pick up a 3rd down and 2 ever again? The program never picked up a 3rd and two in its 100 years of existence before Tebow came along so we are screwed.

Bottom line- An offensive coordinator has many play selections at his disposal to use in 3rd and short situations. Just because UF has a horse in Tebow that is a reliable 3rd down and short option and they utilize him for that purpose does not mean they will never find anyone who cannot pick up a 3rd and short ever again. Next year's offense will look different and will utilize a combination of passes and and the running game with Brantley, Moody, Demps, Rainey, and Gillislee. The program will survive.

What Tebow does (and this is by far his most important skill) is turn 3rd and 4 or less into an 80 percent proposition when he runs the ball. RBs can't pick up third and 4 at a clip like that because the numbers don't favor them. It has to be a QB, and it has to be one who throws well enough that you have to respect the pass, and it has to be one who runs like a FB and can blow through a linebacker to pick up the first down. When Tebow leaves, you guys are going to have to go back to trying to pick up third downs like everybody else, which means a lot more punting. You can't overstate how much Tebow's ability to pick up 3rd and short changes everything about the game.

Obviously Florida's going to remain the team to beat in the East for the foreseeable future, because Meyer's a great coach and he's got easy access to all the talent in the world down there, but you're kidding yourself if you think trading Tebow for a regular QB isn't going to have an enormous impact on how your offense runs.

 

[Lawrence Wright]

What Tebow does (and this is by far his most important skill) -- is turn 3rd and 4 or less into an 80 percent proposition when he runs the ball. RBs can't pick up third and 4 at a clip like that because the numbers don't favor them. It has to be a QB, and it has to be one who throws well enough that you have to respect the pass, and it has to be one who runs like a FB and can blow through a linebacker to pick up the first down. When Tebow leaves, you guys are going to have to go back to trying to pick up third downs like everybody else, which means a lot more punting. You can't overstate how much Tebow's ability to pick up 3rd and short changes everything about the game.

Obviously Florida's going to remain the team to beat in the East for the foreseeable future, because Meyer's a great coach and he's got easy access to all the talent in the world down there, but you're kidding yourself it you think trading Tebow for a regular QB isn't going to have an enormous impact on how your offense runs.

It's as though there's some NCAA rule prohibiting UF from running anything but the Tebow Smash play on 3rd and 3.

Meyer will adjust, and as you mentioned UF will be favored to win the East more years than not.

UF's defensive recruiting has been downright scary lately, so with all the focus on Tebow leaving please pay no attention to all the talent Meyer is stockpiling on the other side of the ball.

 

[VolDad]

I think UF's last two national titles were won more because of exceptional defense than anything else.

What do you think?

Excellent defenses - yes; aided by the fact that Tebow’s 3rd/4th down conversions keeps opponents offenses off the field. It is easier for a defense to look excellent when the opponent’s offense has fewer opportunities.

Now answer my question.

 

[Vercingetorix]

It's as though there's some NCAA rule prohibiting UF from running anything but the Tebow Smash play on 3rd and 3.

Meyer will adjust, and as you mentioned UF will be favored to win the East more years than not.

UF's defensive recruiting has been downright scary lately, so with all the focus on Tebow leaving please pay no attention to all the talent Meyer is stockpiling on the other side of the ball.

Why should UF run anything else when nobody can stop it? Tebow's ability to convert short-ish yardage situations is the single most game-altering ability in college football in my lifetime. Take that away and Meyer's offense would have been completely pedestrian in recent years. It's going to be interesting to see how they try to adapt to third down next year without him.

Agreed with you about defense. Meyer should thank God every morning that Charlie Strong is black and possibly a crummy interview. It's insane that that guy hasn't had a head job yet.

 

[Lawrence Wright]

Excellent defenses - yes; aided by the fact that Tebow’s 3rd/4th down conversions keeps opponents offenses off the field. It is easier for a defense to look excellent when the opponent’s offense has fewer opportunities.

Now answer my question.

Tebow's been stonedwalled several times this season on 3rd/4th down, and it's been UF's defense that's saved the day.

I'm one of the few Gator fans not riding Tebow's jock. He's been anything but spectacular this season. At times he's looked like complete garbage.

He's a strong short yardage guy no doubt, but UF will adjust without him....hopefully with a new OC next season.

 

[Lawrence Wright]

Why should UF run anything else when nobody can stop it? Tebow's ability to convert short-ish yardage situations is the single most game-altering ability in college football in my lifetime. Take that away and Meyer's offense would have been completely pedestrian in recent years. It's going to be interesting to see how they try to adapt to third down next year without him.

Agreed with you about defense. Meyer should thank God every morning that Charlie Strong is black and possibly a crummy interview. It's insane that that guy hasn't had a head job yet.

Um, UF's offense has been pedestrian this year WITH Tebow.

Last season defenses had to account for Harvin in the slot and Murphy on the outside, which opened up all sorts of running lanes for Tebow. This year has been much tougher.

 

[VOLinFL_]

Um, UF's offense has been pedestrian this year WITH Tebow.

Last season defenses had to account for Harvin in the slot and Murphy on the outside, which opened up all sorts of running lanes for Tebow. This year has been much tougher.

Since you guys are on the subject, anyone see Herbstreit's asinine comment Florida is simply 'bored' this year and will turn it on when they choose to??? Florida's good, but he basically said they can choose to score at will when they want to, and they haven't wanted to yet, haven't had any motivation. :no:

 

[Lawrence Wright]

Since you guys are on the subject, anyone see Herbstreit's asinine comment Florida is simply 'bored' this year and will turn it on when they choose to??? Florida's good, but he basically said they can choose to score at will when they want to, and they haven't wanted to yet, haven't had any motivation. :no:

That's BS.

UF's offense is just average.