US may have killed Quds Force Commander Qasem Soleimani

#3,779
#3,779
joevol33 said:
It's almost as if you can't wait till they kill one of ours.
Click to expand...

Maybe you should review the definition of ominous

giving the impression that something bad or unpleasant is going to happen; threatening; inauspicious.

Yep, that word choice sure makes it clear I'm chomping at the bit for it.
 
#3,781
#3,781
AM64 said:
Despite his blunders - and there were some, Kennedy always remained popular ... at least that's what I saw, heard, and read during his time. In the Eisenhower days it seemed like this was just a friendlier, simpler place - less polarized and with more respect for government; I think Vietnam trashed that. People were polarized when it came to Johnson probably more hawk/dove than even R/D. Nixon got about the same treatment as Trump ... the press and his detractors were against him before he even got in the door; his Vietnam turnaround was never really acknowledged as positive, and the way congress undercut everything is still inexcusable and cowardly. Carter was a fool, but he had his die hard admirers. Reagan could act the part and probably got more credit than he deserved. Bush I and Clinton were nothing great - just the normal R/D squabbling to me except Clinton in the WH was like a Beverly Hillbillies rerun in many aspects. Bush II was when things got really mean and the lines completely drawn; I don't think there will be any going back to civility ... at least not in my lifetime.
Click to expand...
This actually explains it pretty well.

Add that it was just as bad under Obama as it was late in Bush's term, possibly worse. It escalated considerably when Trump won the election.
 
  • Like
Reactions: AM64
#3,784
#3,784
KB5252 said:
This actually explains it pretty well.
Click to expand...

Thank you. I admit I saw things from a somewhat narrow perspective due to age and not being everywhere to get the broader view, but that's pretty much how things seemed to me from what I saw, read, and heard over the years. I think my biases have grown stronger as I aged, so what I see as intolerance today may have a lot to do with me, but even at that I think we are far more uncivil than we were 40 or 50 years ago. As an AF brat and then living elsewhere part of the time during my working years, it's not just a TN or southeastern perspective.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Orangeburst
#3,785
#3,785
evillawyer said:
The fact that they were citing technical problems shortly after the crash prior to any investigation was a telltale sign they effed up.
Click to expand...
The telegraphed retaliation was effed up and now Iran is left with egg on their face. Iran probably don't want to poke the international bear for awhile. Soleimani activities will still be an unknown specific imminent threat.
 
#3,787
#3,787
luthervol said:
You skipped over the whole "imminent threat" part.
It was Trump who said multiple times that he took the action because of "imminent threat".
If that's true, congress should be informed.
If it's not true, which is increasingly appearing to be the case, Trump should stop lying.
Click to expand...
Your words remind me of the Dems saying Trump must be impeached immediately and rushing through the process because he is an imminent threat yet now they are sitting on the articles until who knows when. Maybe they should stop lying but that would require they stop breathing.
 
  • Like
Reactions: tennvols77 and AM64
#3,790
#3,790
kiddiedoc said:
Luther knows next to nothing about the missile attack on the plane, but he's sure it's Trump's fault.
Click to expand...
The real question here is who could have been possibly trying to leave Tehran? That Government of Iran (I use that loosely) would have no problem shooting that plane down while killing 179 innocent.
 
#3,791
#3,791
Septic said:
Did Obama ask the house and senate to debate the pros and cons of dropping the Navy's finest on Bin Laden's ass? Sometimes when you have actionable intelligence, you do what must be done, chop-chop. Like it or not, any president could have the tough job of making these decisions on the fly with minimal consultation. It's easy to monday morning quarterback these things, but if he had a whiff that American lives were at risk and could curtail it, it's his duty.
Click to expand...
Who hacked Septic's account?
 
  • Like
Reactions: FLVOL_79, davethevol, AM64 and 4 others
#3,793
#3,793
AM64 said:
Despite his blunders - and there were some, Kennedy always remained popular ... at least that's what I saw, heard, and read during his time. In the Eisenhower days it seemed like this was just a friendlier, simpler place - less polarized and with more respect for government; I think Vietnam trashed that. People were polarized when it came to Johnson probably more hawk/dove than even R/D. Nixon got about the same treatment as Trump ... the press and his detractors were against him before he even got in the door; his Vietnam turnaround was never really acknowledged as positive, and the way congress undercut everything is still inexcusable and cowardly. Carter was a fool, but he had his die hard admirers. Reagan could act the part and probably got more credit than he deserved. Bush I and Clinton were nothing great - just the normal R/D squabbling to me except Clinton in the WH was like a Beverly Hillbillies rerun in many aspects. Bush II was when things got really mean and the lines completely drawn; I don't think there will be any going back to civility ... at least not in my lifetime.
Click to expand...

Think Kent state started the ball rolling and then the media and Hollywood types like Jane Fonda just ran with it.

This is me totally going off history books as I was born late 70s, but by all accounts things were civil prior to Nam in Washington.
 
  • Like
Reactions: tennvols77, davethevol and AM64
#3,794
#3,794
Velo Vol said:
My question is why. Common sense dictates that they were never going to get away with that claim.
Click to expand...
To save face, those people publicly mourning because they truly revered the terrorist general are vastly outnumbered by those that hate him and the regime, and they know it. They fear retaliation from us and the world, even more they fear what the people may do if they show any weakness. They are in a very difficult position right now and they know it.
 
  • Like
Reactions: davethevol and AM64
#3,795
#3,795
Orange_Vol1321 said:
The real question here is who could have been possibly trying to leave Tehran? That Government of Iran (I use that loosely) would have no problem shooting that plane down while killing 179 innocent.
Click to expand...
I'm sure intelligence has combed the manifests in search of that answer. Perhaps it will be shared at some point.
 
  • Like
Reactions: AM64
#3,796
#3,796
DancingOutlaw said:
Now it’s spicy.
Click to expand...

I've seen this video before but after watching again there had to be some event that lead up to this. They had to see something it at least know something was about to happen to have the camera trained for the first flash.

For those familiar with missile systems, would that be something an average Joe, or Mohammed in this case, might be able to see streak across the sky?
 
#3,797
#3,797
NEOCON said:
Think Kent state started the ball rolling and then the media and Hollywood types like Jane Fonda just ran with it.

This is me totally going off history books as I was born late 70s, but by all accounts things were civil prior to Nam in Washington.
Click to expand...

To me it seems that politically WW2 united us and Vietnam ripped us apart (neglecting McCarthyism). I was born in 1946, so I saw a lot of that time frame, but not much of it as an adult. At least we viewed the Soviet Union and not ourselves as the enemy. The Vietnam antiwar movement seems to have changed us forever - when the younger generations (sadly, my generation) suddenly became "smarter" than the older generations (the people who knew war and the hardships of the depression vs kids who grew up on prosperity) ... or when the inmates took over the asylum.
 
  • Like
Reactions: RavinDave, MWR, hog88 and 2 others
#3,798
#3,798
KB5252 said:
I've seen this video before but after watching again there had to be some event that lead up to this. They had to see something it at least know something was about to happen to have the camera trained for the first flash.

For those familiar with missile systems, would that be something an average Joe, or Mohammed in this case, might be able to see streak across the sky?
Click to expand...

A missile leaving the launcher is bright and noisy, but it happens fast. I have the same problem you do with this clip; I've taken pictures of missiles leaving the launcher, but you have to be ready. The only thing this guy had going for him is he was behind the missile exhaust and it was night; otherwise, they are almost impossible to track for more that a few seconds. Others said this was supposedly the second missile. Assuming there was an earlier one that the guy with the phone or camera saw, it must have missed the plane or the shrapnel didn't cause much damage. This really does look like a missile exploding and causing a plane crossing it's path to go up in flames - to bad you can't pick out the plane's navigation lights prior to intercept.
 
  • Like
Reactions: KB5252
#3,799
#3,799
@AM64 , I actually have hope we can turn things around in my lifetime. That's not to say we'll all be holding hands and singing kumbayah, nor should we.

The left needs the right's pragmatism and restraint to keep it in check. The right needs the left's idealism and visioning to keep from stagnating. It's all two sides of the same coin.

But it's going to take people breaking away from each side's purity tests and absolutism and being kind to those doing the same on the other side. Or if not kind, at least respectful.

I still believe there are more people out there who are ready to break free of party and media control than we realize. We just have to find them and stick together.
 
  • Like
Reactions: GAVol and AM64
#3,800
#3,800
AshG said:
@AM64 , I actually have hope we can turn things around in my lifetime. That's not to say we'll all be holding hands and singing kumbayah, nor should we.

The left needs the right's pragmatism and restraint to keep it in check. The right needs the left's idealism and visioning to keep from stagnating. It's all two sides of the same coin.

But it's going to take people breaking away from each side's purity tests and absolutism and being kind to those doing the same on the other side. Or if not kind, at least respectful.

I still believe there are more people out there who are ready to break free of party and media control than we realize. We just have to find them and stick together.
Click to expand...
The two party system has descended into chaos. There is no difference in a Dem or Repub anymore. The real issue is while I'm sure some of them get into politics to make a difference they just end up using their time enriching themselves and family members. In order to play the game you have to get dirty, people pulling the strings make the arrangements for you and you have to play nice and answer when they call or you find yourself on the sideline next election cycle. Nothing changes until the people change it.
 
  • Like
Reactions: AshG, AM64, LouderVol and 1 other person
New posts
You must log in or register to reply here.

VN Store



Back
Top