USA Today Poll finds 58% of Republicans believe Capitol Riot was organized by Antifa

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Frustrations of many..of both sides, even in the Capitol...or if you disagree, the SCOTUS or any other house of governance,
Aint no purity tests that anyone will pass. Basically an "American Cold War"
 
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LouderVol said:
Yes. Beyond one tweet that kinda sorta supported the 1/6 action, but to any objective person not at all. What link is there to Trump directing it?

If it's just a populist uprising (assuming you believe it was a hostile attempt to take over) there is no link to Trump or it being a coup.

No action was taken that stopped the transition, Biden is our president. Many of congress werent even there for this vote, ala AOC. The incredibly angry violent MAGa mob apparently forgot their guns, and most of the deaths arent directly linked to them, and NO politician was even harmed.

No other government entities were bothered. No other centers of power were bothered, and so far the only follow up action has been the complete nonactions back in early March. No foreign backing, not even puppet master Putin little green men showed up.

To call this a coup is laughable when you look at any of the details.

Violent protest, sure. Illegal, maybe? Coup, laughably not. There was no way the actions that actually happened that day actually provided a viable threat to our system of government.
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RockyTop85 said:
The question was about your comment that the manner of succession set forth in the constitution (states choose electors, electors choose president) is just “policy.”

Are you really saying that the method of executive succession (I.e state choose via electors or the Vice President chooses unilaterally) is a matter of policy?

And by “policy” I mean that it is subject to change based on the preferences of factions or parties within the government.

Tax rates are policy.
Whether or not to implement federal reform of municipal police departments is policy.

Do you really think republic vs. autocracy is policy?
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👆?? This seems like a pretty fundamental issue in a conversation about whether or not people were trying to overthrow the government.

I think I’ve said 5 times now that I’ve already answered these arguments that the coup was poorly planned/executed, that the participants were delusional, and/or that it had no realistic hope of success. They do not make it something other than a coup. The participants intent, constitutionality, and whether their actions were in furtherance of that intent are what matter when deciding what to call it.

There’s a slightly more detailed post that probably covers everything you said, earlier in the thread. Happy to build on or defend it. No need to repeat it for the third rerun of the same bad argument.

As far as Trump “directing” it, I don’t think he did. I don’t think that’s necessary to the common use of the word coup as it’s been used here for the past 3 years. A coup is a sudden, illegal/unconstitutional effort to overthrow the government, usually by force although one could argue that’s not always been necessary. That is exactly what they were trying to do, even if it was a poor effort.

You can call it what you want. Defending, normalizing, and making excuses for this dipshittery seems like a surefire way to put the crazies on the right back at the margins of government, where they belong. As for me, I’m happy to keep calling it a coup for reasons I’ve explained earlier in this thread.
 
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Florida man with Antifa gear allegedly targets January 6 rally, police find explosives at home

His helmet allegedly contained the "iron front" logo, which has been used by Antifa groups

A Florida man was arrested after running away from a protest in support of a Jan. 6 rioter, and was found with a pipe explosive device in his backpack, police said.

Pinellas County Sheriff Bob Gualtieri said in a Friday press conference that Garrett Smith, 22, was seen running away from a crowd of 85 protesters who were gathering in support of Jeremy Brown on Thursday, claiming that he is a "political prisoner."

Smith was arrested by police shortly after 7:30 p.m., and police searched his backpack and found a pipe explosive device, along with a "Direct Action Checklist," which lists what clothing he wore, along with "gear," including a "gas mask and filters, pepper spray, smoke rockets and flammable rags," according to Gualtieri.

The Hillsborough County Sheriff's Office bomb squad determined that the explosive device was active, and cleared the area of the protest.

Florida man with Antifa gear allegedly targets January 6 rally, police find explosives at home
 
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DonjoVol said:
Don't use that word around a group of your fellow democrats. Or you'll be going to sensitivity training.
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Or conservatives with developmentally related children. Or conservatives who work with developmentally delayed children.
 
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January 6 had so much potential to be a turning point in our history, imo it would have continued to gain momentum. Exactly the reason for the deliberate sabotage by Antifa. Same reason they instigated the BLM crap to become violent, to bring down Trump.
 
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mad4vols said:
January 6 had so much potential to be a turning point in our history, imo it would have continued to gain momentum. Exactly the reason for the deliberate sabotage by Antifa. Same reason they instigated the BLM crap to become violent, to bring down Trump.
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Wow
 
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Vol Main said:
I think I know what you mean.
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Nascar recently made Kyle Busch attend sensitivity training when using that word in an interview. He was referring to another driver he was upset with at the time.

Democrats tend to be more PC is what I meant by that comment. Although I've heard democrats say we shouldn't fat shame anyone but at the same time referred to Trump as being obese multiple times throughout his presidency.
 
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lacrossepro70 said:
Republicans push bogus Jan. 6 claim because their voters believe it

Only 4% believed it was an attempted coup by the former president, which it obviously was. Actual insanity.

The delusions keep on coming. Anyone here been added to the no-fly list yet?

Don't be Rupert Murdoch's bitch... turn off Fox News and talk radio and come join reality.
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Have you been paying attention to Kazakhstan recently? How about Ukraine in 2014? How do they compare to January 6th?
 
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RockyTop85 said:
👆?? This seems like a pretty fundamental issue in a conversation about whether or not people were trying to overthrow the government.

I think I’ve said 5 times now that I’ve already answered these arguments that the coup was poorly planned/executed, that the participants were delusional, and/or that it had no realistic hope of success. They do not make it something other than a coup. The participants intent, constitutionality, and whether their actions were in furtherance of that intent are what matter when deciding what to call it.

There’s a slightly more detailed post that probably covers everything you said, earlier in the thread. Happy to build on or defend it. No need to repeat it for the third rerun of the same bad argument.

As far as Trump “directing” it, I don’t think he did. I don’t think that’s necessary to the common use of the word coup as it’s been used here for the past 3 years. A coup is a sudden, illegal/unconstitutional effort to overthrow the government, usually by force although one could argue that’s not always been necessary. That is exactly what they were trying to do, even if it was a poor effort.

You can call it what you want. Defending, normalizing, and making excuses for this dipshittery seems like a surefire way to put the crazies on the right back at the margins of government, where they belong. As for me, I’m happy to keep calling it a coup for reasons I’ve explained earlier in this thread.
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Do you hold those on the left in congress who did not want to certify the Trump election in 2016 to this same standard? Or do you defend, normalize, and make excuses for this dipshittery
 
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Vol8188 said:
Do you hold those on the left in congress who did not want to certify the Trump election in 2016 to this same standard? Or do you defend, normalize, and make excuses for this dipshittery
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That's pretty much what it boils down to. They were upset that Republicans were using the same tactic they used just 4 years previously.
 
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AshG said:
Or conservatives with developmentally related children. Or conservatives who work with developmentally delayed children.
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Nah. Doesn’t bother me. I do get why it bothers some parents but it doesn’t me as long as someone isn’t directly attacking my son, whether with that word or any others.
 
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