USA! USA! Chant Deemed Racist

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DinkinFlicka said:
Okay.
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I'm not one of those 'love it or leave it' guys, but if you dislike America so much that the USA chant is offensive to you, you should probably leave for your own sake.

I understand why sometimes you don't have freedom of speech in school, but it seems pretty hard to preach openness, tolerance, and even freedom of speech if you can't even do a patriotic chant within your borders.
 
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Weezy said:
This is pretty much the train of thought that makes it inappropriate..."Look brown people, they don't look like they're from around here. Our white, good ole American boys just beat'em. USA! USA!." (There are few other circumstances besides this thought, since there was no mention of anything else. Like I said, if a wounded marine made a final shot, then I'm sorry for assuming.)

When in reality, both high schools are in the USA. Being American is not reserved for white people. We have a proud immigrant tradition and to use USA as a taunt for hispanics is very insulting.

But as mentioned earlier, forced apologies are silly, but I don't mind a principal threatening punishment (in private of course) or the students being banned from future games. It was inappropriate.
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That's exactly the point. Regardless of the intentions of the people doing the chant, it's pretty hard to deem it inappropriate without insinuating that citizens of Hispanic descent aren't really American.
 
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It's not that the USA chant is offensive. Use it all you want at international events or what not. But when you are using it to someone because they are hispanic, you are insinuating that the country is only for white people. The fact that some people don't get that is worrisome.
 
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tvolsfan said:
I'm not one of those 'love it or leave it' guys, but if you dislike America so much that the USA chant is offensive to you, you should probably leave for your own sake.

I understand why sometimes you don't have freedom of speech in school, but it seems pretty hard to preach openness, tolerance, and even freedom of speech if you can't even do a patriotic chant within your borders.
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Oh! I get it now! They were being patriotic at the ball game.

Well that explains everything.

Did they also chant their patriotic chant at other ball games?
 
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tvolsfan said:
That's exactly the point. Regardless of the intentions of the people doing the chant, it's pretty hard to deem it inappropriate without insinuating that citizens of Hispanic descent aren't really American.
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Explain why else an all white team's fans would chant that to a mostly hispanic team at the end of a game without the reason being because they are hispanic.


*Crossing my fingers for BA flyover.*
 
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Weezy said:
It's not that the USA chant is offensive. Use it all you want at international events or what not. But when you are using it to someone because they are hispanic, you are insinuating that the country is only for white people. The fact that some people don't get that is worrisome.
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I obviously understand the point, it's just stupid. If a Mexican feels like an outcast because an American is doing a USA chant in Texas, that's his problem. It would be different if they were chanting 'white power,' or something like that. In this case, it absolutely matters what was actually said.
 
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Weezy said:
This is pretty much the train of thought that makes it inappropriate..."Look brown people, they don't look like they're from around here. Our white, good ole American boys just beat'em. USA! USA!." (There are few other circumstances besides this thought, since there was no mention of anything else. Like I said, if a wounded marine made a final shot, then I'm sorry for assuming.)

When in reality, both high schools are in the USA. Being American is not reserved for white people. We have a proud immigrant tradition and to use USA as a taunt for hispanics is very insulting.

But as mentioned earlier, forced apologies are silly, but I don't mind a principal threatening punishment (in private of course) or the students being banned from future games. It was inappropriate.
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True, but if you are in the USA and the chant offends you that much, then that is your own problem.
 
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tvolsfan said:
I obviously understand the point, it's just stupid. If a Mexican feels like an outcast because an American is doing a USA chant in Texas, that's his problem. It would be different if they were chanting 'white power,' or something like that. In this case, it absolutely matters what was actually said.
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Spot on!:hi:
 
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tvolsfan said:
I obviously understand the point, it's just stupid. If a Mexican feels like an outcast because an American is doing a USA chant in Texas, that's his problem. It would be different if they were chanting 'white power,' or something like that. In this case, it absolutely matters what was actually said.
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But, as I understand it, there were no Mexicans playing in the ball game. I understand that the game was between two American, Texan even, high school teams. Where are the Mexicans or any other non-USA kids playing in this game? Given that all of the kids on both teams were American, why chant USA USA?
 
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Danl said:
But, as I understand it, there were no Mexicans playing in the ball game. I understand that the game was between two American, Texan even, high school teams. Where are the Mexicans or any other non-USA kids playing in this game? Given that all of the kids on both teams were American, why chant USA USA?
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Since everyone is American, why would anyone be offended?

This is like the Houston MLS team being forced to change their nickname from 1836 to Dynamo because a lot of Mexican fans in Houston were offended. What exactly were they offended by?
 
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tvolsfan said:
I obviously understand the point, it's just stupid. If a Mexican feels like an outcast because an American is doing a USA chant in Texas, that's his problem. It would be different if they were chanting 'white power,' or something like that. In this case, it absolutely matters what was actually said.
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The fact that that you associate being a hispanic in an American school as being Mexican and not American really tells me all I need to know about why you don't understand why it is inappropriate. Just because you are white makes you no more American than some kid at another school. It's inappropriate.
 
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tvolsfan said:
Since everyone is American, why would anyone be offended?
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You didn't answer the question or questions.

Why chant USA USA at all?

Did these fans chant USA USA at all their other games? If not, why not?

Could the reason be that the chanters consider their team to be more American than the other team's players?
 
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Weezy said:
The fact that that you associate being a hispanic in an American school as being Mexican and not American really tells me all I need to know about why you don't understand why it is inappropriate. Just because you are white makes you no more American than some kid at another school. It's inappropriate.
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My parents are from India, and I have no problem at all identifying myself both as an American and an Indian.
 
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Danl said:
But, as I understand it, there were no Mexicans playing in the ball game. I understand that the game was between two American, Texan even, high school teams. Where are the Mexicans or any other non-USA kids playing in this game? Given that all of the kids on both teams were American, why chant USA USA?
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Maybe because the game was played in Texas, which is in the USA.
 
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Weezy said:
The fact that that you associate being a hispanic in an American school as being Mexican and not American really tells me all I need to know about why you don't understand why it is inappropriate. Just because you are white makes you no more American than some kid at another school. It's inappropriate.
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So why do you find it to be so inappropiate?
 
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PKT_VOL said:
It was a basketball game. The opposing fans were trying to rattle the other team. Happens in almost very sporting event anywhere in the world. It doesn't seem to be personal. Not sure why people are so worked up about this.
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That might be valid, still tasteless, except that it is after the beating them according to the article. That just makes it taunting.
 
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RespectTradition said:
That might be valid, still tasteless, except that it is after the beating them according to the article. That just makes it taunting.
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That is a contradiction. Taunting is taunting. As long as the players are on the court or field of play (depending on the sport) it doesn't matter if the final whistle has been blown or not.
 
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If you pull out a gun and shoot the guy in front of you, is it wrong? It depends on why you did it (self defense, florida fan, etc).

Why the chant was used it the important factor here.

Can someone who is ok with this give me an honest answer as to why these kids used that chant at this game?

If, in your heart of hearts, you honestly believe that it was a spontaneous outburst of patriotism unrelated to the ethnicity of their opponents, then I can see why you think it is ok.

If you think this had something to do with the ethnicity of their opponents, then you know why it was wrong and you know you are wrong to defend it.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
That is a contradiction. Taunting is taunting. As long as the players are on the court or field of play (depending on the sport) it doesn't matter if the final whistle has been blown or not.
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Not a contradiction.

A ham and cheese sandwich is one thing.
A ham sandwich is another.

Taunting and hoping to rattle an opponent is one thing (still tasteless)
Taunting is another.
 
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RespectTradition said:
Not a contradiction.

A ham and cheese sandwich is one thing.
A ham sandwich is another.

Taunting and hoping to rattle an opponent is one thing (still tasteless)
Taunting is another.
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I guess we have to agree to disagree.

Taunting is taunting. One can make the case that it is (more) tasteless once the game is over or the opponent is obviously beat. However, whether it was classy is not the subject at hand.
 
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RespectTradition said:
If you pull out a gun and shoot the guy in front of you, is it wrong? It depends on why you did it (self defense, florida fan, etc).

Why the chant was used it the important factor here.

Can someone who is ok with this give me an honest answer as to why these kids used that chant at this game?

If, in your heart of hearts, you honestly believe that it was a spontaneous outburst of patriotism unrelated to the ethnicity of their opponents, then I can see why you think it is ok.

If you think this had something to do with the ethnicity of their opponents, then you know why it was wrong and you know you are wrong to defend it.
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This
 
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So was this action at Montebello high school in Montebello, California, racist as well?




 
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