USAID may be the biggest scandal in American History.

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LouderVol said:
a direct way doesn't mean its a good way. an attack on one of our rights is an attack on all of our rights.

a better way would have been to go ahead and frame up the amendment, and start getting support in Congress.
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If you really want to get constitutional about it, The 14th was originally conceived to provied citizenship to American soil born children of slaves brought here against their will. It was also a stop gap to bring the country back together after the Civil War and to project provisions for confederate states to blend back in by meeting certain obligations. It also established rights to vote, etc. Pretty sure it wasn't intended as an abused work around to run accross the border illegally to shoot out a US born baby. In context, the 14th was not written as an immigration loophole for all eternity.

Passed by the Senate on June 8, 1866, and ratified two years later, on July 9, 1868, the Fourteenth Amendment granted citizenship to all persons "born or naturalized in the United States," including formerly enslaved people, and provided all citizens with “equal protection under the laws,” extending the provisions of the Bill of Rights to the states. The amendment authorized the government to punish states that abridged citizens’ right to vote by proportionally reducing their representation in Congress. It banned those who “engaged in insurrection” against the United States from holding any civil, military, or elected office without the approval of two-thirds of the House and Senate. The amendment prohibited former Confederate states from repaying war debts and compensating former slave owners for the emancipation of their enslaved people. Finally, it granted Congress the power to enforce this amendment, a provision that led to the passage of other landmark legislation in the 20th century, including the Civil Rights Act of 1964, and the Voting Rights Act of 1965. Congress required former Confederate states to ratify the Fourteenth Amendment as a condition of regaining federal representation.
 
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LouderVol said:
it may be the fastest way, but that doesn't make it the best way.

It would be quicker if I used a bazooka to blow up any door in my way. doesn't mean I should do it.
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I could well be wrong but think his choices limited, given that Congress has no role here, of either scooping up and deporting an illegal with a child born here and deporting them, or exercising his authority over immigration by EO. Either would have been to elicit judicial review.

Which of those would you choose?
 
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GVF said:
If you really want to get constitutional about it, The 14th was originally conceived to provied citizenship to American soil born children of slaves brought here against their will. It was also a stop gap to bring the country back together after the Civil War and to project provisions for confederate states to blend back in by meeting certain obligations. It also established rights to vote, etc. Pretty sure it wasn't intended as an abused work around to run accross the border illegally to shoot out a US born baby. In context, the 14th was not written as an immigration loophole for all eternity.

Passed by the Senate on June 8, 1866, and ratified two years later, on July 9, 1868, the Fourteenth Amendment granted citizenship to all persons "born or naturalized in the United States," including formerly enslaved people, and provided all citizens with “equal protection under the laws,” extending the provisions of the Bill of Rights to the states. The amendment authorized the government to punish states that abridged citizens’ right to vote by proportionally reducing their representation in Congress. It banned those who “engaged in insurrection” against the United States from holding any civil, military, or elected office without the approval of two-thirds of the House and Senate. The amendment prohibited former Confederate states from repaying war debts and compensating former slave owners for the emancipation of their enslaved people. Finally, it granted Congress the power to enforce this amendment, a provision that led to the passage of other landmark legislation in the 20th century, including the Civil Rights Act of 1964, and the Voting Rights Act of 1965. Congress required former Confederate states to ratify the Fourteenth Amendment as a condition of regaining federal representation.
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the last couple SC cases have ruled that it is a run around for immigration.

so even if you have a friendly SC now, it could change right back afterwards, as long as you leave the 14th as is.
 
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NCFisher said:
I could well be wrong but think his choices limited, given that Congress has no role here, of either scooping up and deporting an illegal with a child born here and deporting them, or exercising his authority over immigration by EO. Either would have been to elicit judicial review.

Which of those would you choose?
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I figured Trump would be an ask for forgiveness type rather than ask for permission. He could have just started deporting, and let it be challenged.

IMO I don't see it any different than locking up the, US citizen, parents of a kid. you carry out the job regardless. Give the parents a choice on what happens to their kid: Child leaves with them, and can legally enter at 18. Child stays with, legal, family or guardians. Child goes into child custody.
 
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LouderVol said:
the last couple SC cases have ruled that it is a run around for immigration.

so even if you have a friendly SC now, it could change right back afterwards, as long as you leave the 14th as is.
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True. And I think they'd be better served to interpret the 14th in context and tone it down by today's abuses. It is beyond it's perspective, yet no simple answer when you are comparing and interpreting 1860's formulation with modern common sense application and what it supposed to look like and function.
 
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VOLS INC. said:
Hey. $32k for transgender comics in Peru is a solid investment!!!


Well. Come to find out USAID is essentially just exporting America’s worst practices to the rest of the world. Transgender this. DEI that.

From an imperial perspective, it’s a great strategy. We can literally ruin a country’s entire culture without firing a single shot. We just have to poison the minds of their youth.
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^^^ exactly what China is doing to kids in the US with TikTok. Rotting their brains and reducing their attention spans to 30seconds for a dopamine hit.
 
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GVF said:
If you really want to get constitutional about it, The 14th was originally conceived to provied citizenship to American soil born children of slaves brought here against their will. It was also a stop gap to bring the country back together after the Civil War and to project provisions for confederate states to blend back in by meeting certain obligations. It also established rights to vote, etc. Pretty sure it wasn't intended as an abused work around to run accross the border illegally to shoot out a US born baby. In context, the 14th was not written as an immigration loophole for all eternity.

Passed by the Senate on June 8, 1866, and ratified two years later, on July 9, 1868, the Fourteenth Amendment granted citizenship to all persons "born or naturalized in the United States," including formerly enslaved people, and provided all citizens with “equal protection under the laws,” extending the provisions of the Bill of Rights to the states. The amendment authorized the government to punish states that abridged citizens’ right to vote by proportionally reducing their representation in Congress. It banned those who “engaged in insurrection” against the United States from holding any civil, military, or elected office without the approval of two-thirds of the House and Senate. The amendment prohibited former Confederate states from repaying war debts and compensating former slave owners for the emancipation of their enslaved people. Finally, it granted Congress the power to enforce this amendment, a provision that led to the passage of other landmark legislation in the 20th century, including the Civil Rights Act of 1964, and the Voting Rights Act of 1965. Congress required former Confederate states to ratify the Fourteenth Amendment as a condition of regaining federal representation.
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If it was intended as you say, why would it say 'including formerly enslaved people' rather than just say it applies to just formerly enslaved people?
 
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This so damn hilarious coming from these hypocrite Democrats who have no shame.
They have no power to do whatever they won't to do. They're clueless & ruderless.
All desperation at this point & wanting his TV camera time to bellyache the best he can. They are attempting to steal taxpayer money. How stupid can one person be? Clown show.
 
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PEPPERJAX said:
Yes and yes

Additionally, I think the US has done more than enough with HIV programs in third world countries.
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So most of those who think we give away too much don't know the subject matter at all. Maybe we do, and maybe it's for the wrong purposes. But there's some good being done which works to our benefit too.
 
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W.TN.Orange Blood said:
This so damn hilarious coming from these hypocrite Democrats who have no shame.
They have no power to do whatever they won't to do. They're clueless & ruderless.
All desperation at this point & wanting his TV camera time to bellyache the best he can.
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My how the mighty have fallen. It’s embarrassing. The remaining democrat voters should run away as fast as possible.
 
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EasternVol said:
So most of those who think we give away too much don't know the subject matter at all. Maybe we do, and maybe it's for the wrong purposes. But there's some good being done which works to our benefit too.
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I believe this is true. But I don't trust our government. I believe the good they do is the cover for the larger bad they do around the world...... And have for years. It's time the government is held accountable to the people..... Not acting in spite of.

And if Trump is wrong and this isn't happening great .....I hope he looks like a fool. If he's right..... Then we've lost nothing and are gaining a true, representative and accountable government.
 
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