USC Please Give me a break.

[VolfanMike]

let me ask you a serious question. how many pac-10 games have you watched over the past 3 years?

Probably Cal @ UT, UT @ Cal and UT @ UCLA. I don't think he takes the tinted sunglasses off very much. I would cry to mommy if UT had to play USC this year.

 

[droski]

I never said that, but its not far from the truth. After USC, Oregon, and Cal at times, who else on that coast is any good? I mean really Droski, you cant, and I know you're not hanging your argument on UCKLA beating Tennessee this year. You're certainly not hanging on to it with Cal's Cotton bowl win over aTm so....Im making the point that Pac 10 teams would not survive in the SEC. Heck, they wouldnt survive in the B12.

Your looking at top schools in the NCAA out of both conferences vs only 2, maybe 3 schools out of the Pac 10. It aint happening man.

the pac-10 is far more cyclical than the SEC. beyond SC there hasn't been a team that has had consistantcy. I agree. The SEC is superior but i think the best pac-10 teams of the past decade (sans USC) wouldn't have a problem competing in the SEC.

 

[VolfanMike]

the pac-10 is far more cyclical than the SEC. beyond SC there hasn't been a team that has had consistantcy. I agree. The SEC is superior but i think the best pac-10 teams of the past decade (sans USC) wouldn't have a problem competing in the SEC.

I really dont think they would. Granted, they could beat teams like Ole Miss, Vandy (maybe) and Miss State regularly. But would struggle to compete with UF, UGA, LSU, and AU. UT and Bama would beat most regularly on any given Saturday as well.

 

[getyopopcornready]

Listed below is every SEC versus Pac-10 head-to-head matchup going back to the year 2000.



The top 3 teams in those games were UT, LSU, and Auburn against all the top teams in the PAC 10... Our top 3 in the SEC is UGA, Florida and LSU





2000 Alabama 24, UCLA 35 {PAC10}




2001 UCLA 20, Alabama 17 {PAC10}




2002 Auburn 17, USC 24 {PAC10} Mississippi State 13, Oregon 36 {PAC10}




2003 USC 23, Auburn 0 {PAC10} LSU 59, Arizona 13 {SEC} Oregon 42, Mississippi State 34 {PAC10}




2004 Oregon State 21, LSU 22 {SEC}




2005 Arkansas 17, USC 70 {PAC10} LSU 35, Arizona State 31 {SEC}




2006 USC 50, Arkansas 14 {PAC10} Washington State 14, Auburn 40 {SEC}Arizona 3, LSU 45 {SEC} California 18, Tennessee 35 {SEC}




2007 Tennessee 31, California 45 {PAC10}

The Pac-10 ends up with a 9-6 record against the SEC. So much for the speed and athleticism of the SEC catching up with them.




The most alarming part is that if we take the two powerhouses, USC and LSU, out of the equation, the Pac-10 is 5-2 against the SEC.




It's interesting how every SEC fan who wants to derail the "Pac-10 Football Is Better Than SEC Football" argument claims the Pac-10 proponents only lean on USC. Well, we took them out of the equation—and the Pac-10 still rules the day.




There's not much else to say on this topic: The Pac-10 is better against SEC opponents than the SEC is against Pac-10 opponents.




I don't know what SEC fans are going to do to explain this one. Maybe they'll claim that the SEC doesn't try out of conference, or that the game wasn't big enough so they probably just threw it.




Whatever excuses are made by SEC fans, the fact remains that the Pac-10 has a 9-6 record against the SEC since 2000. If you take out USC and LSU, the Pac-10 owns a 5-2 record.

The top 3 teams in those games were UT, LSU, and Auburn against all the top 3 teams in the PAC 10 (.USC, Az St., Oregon).. Our top 3 in the SEC is UGA, Florida and LSU.. The Pac 10's best is yet to beat one of our top 3 teams and has yet to prove anything on why the SEC isnt better than the PAC 10... Im sure the SEC could rack up a 9-6 record if we threw UGA, Fla, LSU against USC, UCLA, Arizona and a host of others from each conference

 

[The Breakerboy]

let me ask you a serious question. how many pac-10 games have you watched over the past 3 years?

Enough to know you all don't really produce good pros. And that you don't really like to play defense out there. I hope you don't want compare NFL players between the two conferences because USC doesn't even compare to Tennessee in that area.

 

[TXA&M07]

the pac-10 is far more cyclical than the SEC. beyond SC there hasn't been a team that has had consistantcy. I agree. The SEC is superior but i think the best pac-10 teams of the past decade (sans USC) wouldn't have a problem competing in the SEC.

and I'll disagree. Pac 10 teams like you mention would rank right around where Bama, SCAR, Vols, and possibly Arkansas as far as the the SEC goes. They would be destroyed by the likes of Auburn.

Comparitably speaking they would by like OSU, aTm, K State, and Nebraska in the B12. Middle of the road all the way.

 

[getyopopcornready]

USC would be the "favored" team in any conference they played in including the SEC, but there is no way in heck they would just breeze through any conference. the days of teams going undefeated are over, its just too tough now days. USC would definitely be a favorite to win the SEC but i just think games against Florida, Auburn, Georgia, Alabama, South Carolina, and Tennessee would start to wear on the health of your players that are everything to your offense (Mcknight, Tebow, etc.)

 

[droski]

Enough to know you all don't really produce good pros. And that you don't really like to play defense out there. I hope you don't want compare NFL players between the two conferences because USC doesn't even compare to Tennessee in that area.

The pac-10 had more players drafted per team than the SEC last year. They also had more first rounders per team. And USC produces a LOT of pros. They've definetly had more first rounders and total player drafted than tenn since carroll got there. no comparison/

 

[droski]

and I'll disagree. Pac 10 teams like you mention would rank right around where Bama, SCAR, Vols, and possibly Arkansas as far as the the SEC goes. They would be destroyed by the likes of Auburn.

Comparitably speaking they would by like OSU, aTm, K State, and Nebraska in the B12. Middle of the road all the way.

You mean like that same A&M team that lost to cal by 5 tds a couple of years ago? Kansas wouldn't have finished in the top half of the pac-10 last year.

 

[The Breakerboy]

The pac-10 had more players drafted per team than the SEC last year. They also had more first rounders per team. And USC produces a LOT of pros. They've definetly had more first rounders and total player drafted than tenn since carroll got there. no comparison/

What kind of players are they in the league. They're best player is Carson Palmer. I guess we know what would happen if Peyton was on his team. He wolud be holding the clipboard. Pros are people that produce when in the league not just Drafted.

 

[droski]

Let's see tenn's list over the same time (oh and btw last year cal had more players drafted than any SEC team other than LSU):

Thusfar throughout Coach Carroll's career at USC, there have been a total of 32 Trojans drafted into the NFL.



Player Position Drafted By Draft Selection Year
Reggie Bush RB New Orleans Saints 1st round 2006
Matt Leinart QB Arizona Cardinals 1st round 2006
Mike Williams WR Detroit Lions 1st round 2005
Mike Patterson DT Philadelphia Eagles 1st round 2005
Kenechi Udeze DE Minnesota Vikings 1st round 2004
Carson Palmer QB Cincinnati Bengals 1st round 2003
Troy Polamalu S Pittsburgh Steelers 1st round 2003
Dwayne Jarrett WR Carolina Panthers 2nd round 2007
Steve Smith WR New York Giants 2nd round 2007
Ryan Kalil OL Carolina Panthers 2nd round 2007
Winston Justice OT Philadelphia Eagles 2nd round 2006
Deuce Lutui OG Arizona Cardinals 2nd round 2006
LenDale White RB Tennessee Titans 2nd round 2006
Shaun Cody DT Detroit Lions 2nd round 2005
Lofa Tatupa LB Seattle Seahawks 2nd round 2005
Jacob Rogers OT Dallas Cowboys 2nd round 2004
Keary Colbert WR Carolina Panthers 2nd round 2004
Frostee Rucker DE Cincinnati Bengals 3rd round 2006
Dominique Byrd TE St. Louis Rams 3rd round 2006
Justin Fargas RB Oakland Raiders 3rd round 2003
Kris Richard DB Seattle Seahawks 3rd round 2002
Darnell Bing RB Oakland Raiders 4th round 2006
Will Poole CB Miami Dolphins 4th round 2004
Dallas Sartz LB Washington Redskins 5th round 2007
David Kirtman FB Seattle Seahawks 5th round 2006
LaJuan Ramsey DT Philadelphia Eagles 6th round 2006
Kareem Kelly WR New Orleans Saints 6th round 2003
Chris Cash CB Detroit Lions 6th round 2002
Oscar Lua LB New England Patriots 7th round 2007
Fred Matua OG Detroit Lions 7th round 2006
Matt Cassel QB New England Patriots 7th round 2005
Malaefou MacKenzie FB Jacksonville Jaguars 7th round 2003

 

[The Breakerboy]

Let's see tenn's list over the same time (oh and btw last year cal had more players drafted than any SEC team other than LSU):

Thusfar throughout Coach Carroll's career at USC, there have been a total of 32 Trojans drafted into the NFL.



Player Position Drafted By Draft Selection Year
Reggie Bush RB New Orleans Saints 1st round 2006
Matt Leinart QB Arizona Cardinals 1st round 2006
Mike Williams WR Detroit Lions 1st round 2005
Mike Patterson DT Philadelphia Eagles 1st round 2005
Kenechi Udeze DE Minnesota Vikings 1st round 2004
Carson Palmer QB Cincinnati Bengals 1st round 2003
Troy Polamalu S Pittsburgh Steelers 1st round 2003
Dwayne Jarrett WR Carolina Panthers 2nd round 2007
Steve Smith WR New York Giants 2nd round 2007
Ryan Kalil OL Carolina Panthers 2nd round 2007
Winston Justice OT Philadelphia Eagles 2nd round 2006
Deuce Lutui OG Arizona Cardinals 2nd round 2006
LenDale White RB Tennessee Titans 2nd round 2006
Shaun Cody DT Detroit Lions 2nd round 2005
Lofa Tatupa LB Seattle Seahawks 2nd round 2005
Jacob Rogers OT Dallas Cowboys 2nd round 2004
Keary Colbert WR Carolina Panthers 2nd round 2004
Frostee Rucker DE Cincinnati Bengals 3rd round 2006
Dominique Byrd TE St. Louis Rams 3rd round 2006
Justin Fargas RB Oakland Raiders 3rd round 2003
Kris Richard DB Seattle Seahawks 3rd round 2002
Darnell Bing RB Oakland Raiders 4th round 2006
Will Poole CB Miami Dolphins 4th round 2004
Dallas Sartz LB Washington Redskins 5th round 2007
David Kirtman FB Seattle Seahawks 5th round 2006
LaJuan Ramsey DT Philadelphia Eagles 6th round 2006
Kareem Kelly WR New Orleans Saints 6th round 2003
Chris Cash CB Detroit Lions 6th round 2002
Oscar Lua LB New England Patriots 7th round 2007
Fred Matua OG Detroit Lions 7th round 2006
Matt Cassel QB New England Patriots 7th round 2005
Malaefou MacKenzie FB Jacksonville Jaguars 7th round 2003

Its funny because all of them will be on the Show "Where Are They Now". That list is hilarious.lol:

 

[droski]

What kind of players are they in the league. They're best player is Carson Palmer. I guess we know what would happen if Peyton was on his team. He wolud be holding the clipboard. Pros are people that produce when in the league not just Drafted.

right because the pro scouts are prone to drafting from teams with players who don't pruduce. are you really this clueless?

 

[The Breakerboy]

right because the pro scouts are prone to drafting from teams with players who don't pruduce. are you really this clueless?

Just filling out their draft picks.

 

[droski]

The Trojans hold the all-time record for players selected to the Pro Bowl with 162. There are currently 45 former Trojans in the NFL today.

NFL Draft: What Makes USC The Best School to Draft From? | Bleacher Report

 

[VolfanMike]

Its funny because all of them will be on the Show "Where Are They Now". That list is hilarious.lol:

Reggie Bush, Leinart, Palmer, Cassel (starting for NE now) Fargas, and several others are studs man. Quit kidding yourself Lockdown. I love UT but I am not a moron.

 

[droski]

USCRipsIt - Trojans in the NFL

At least 1 Trojan has appeared in all but 3 of the 41 Super Bowls (there have been 92 USC representatives overall). Two Trojans (Lynn Swann in 1976 and Marcus Allen in 1984) have been the Super Bowl MVP. In 1977, 9 USC alums played in the Super Bowl. And Trojans have been selected to play in the Pro Bowl 201 times.

Eleven former USC players (more than any other school) and 3 ex-assistant coaches are in the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

Anthony Munoz and Ronnie Lott were selected on the NFL's All-Time Team in August 2000, as chosen by the 36 Pro Football Hall of Fame voters.

A December 1999 story in The Sporting News listed 4 Trojans among the 100 Greatest Pro Football Players: Anthony Munoz (17th), Ronnie Lott (23rd), O.J. Simpson (26th) and Marcus Allen (72nd).

Anthony Munoz was picked among the NFL's Top 10 players of the 20th century by SPORT in 1999.

In December 1999, the Dick Butkus Football Network named a pair of ex-Trojans on its NFL All-Century First Team: Anthony Munoz and Ronnie Lott.

A January 1999 article in ESPN Magazine says that "one of the best ways to win a Super Bowl is to (have a USC player on the team). The alma mater most often represented on winning teams is USC (45 players). Lagging behind: Notre Dame (38) and Penn State (35)."

A Dec. 13, 1999 article in the San Diego Union-Tribune, which examined Pro Bowl selections since 1950 to determine the schools that have supplied the most pro players at various positions, found that USC had the most Pro Bowl selections (162, more than Notre Dame's 135 and Ohio State's 122) and produced more Pro Bowl running backs and safeties than anyone.

A May 1999 SPORT magazine article pointed out that USC sent more players to the Pro Bowl in the 1990s (14) than any other school. "The most measurable sign of a player's success--and thus his pedigree--comes in the form of the NFL's highest annual honor: the Pro Bowl. It's not enough to make it to the league, you've gotta make it in the league." In the article, then-New York Jets Pro Bowl wide receiver Keyshawn Johnson, the former USC All-American, said: "USC is a football factory. Every kid in L.A. grows up wanting to play there, and the coaches know how to translate that into elite athletes."

In a Dec. 1994 College Sports magazine ranking of the schools which have been the top sources over the years of football talent by position (on a combined college and NFL level), USC was listed first at running backs, offensive linemen and defensive backs, and third at linebackers.

In a 1985 Sports Illustrated poll of NFL player personnel directors, USC was ranked first overall among all schools in preparing college players for the pros. By position, USC received top marks for running backs, offensive linemen and tight ends.

 

[XtennesseeX]

As far as NFL goes...

In 2007, there were 27 Trojans on opening day NFL rosters.

IIRC, Tennessee had 41 players on opening day NFL rosters in 2007.

Not sure about this year.

 

[TXA&M07]

I never said that, but its not far from the truth. After USC, Oregon, and Cal at times, who else on that coast is any good? I mean really Droski, you cant, and I know you're not hanging your argument on UCKLA beating Tennessee this year. You're certainly not hanging on to it with Cal's Cotton bowl win over aTm so....Im making the point that Pac 10 teams would not survive in the SEC. Heck, they wouldnt survive in the B12.
Your looking at top schools in the NCAA out of both conferences vs only 2, maybe 3 schools out of the Pac 10. It aint happening man.

I guess I was wrong, you do want to hang your hat on that.

 

[VolfanMike]

As far as NFL goes...

In 2007, there were 27 Trojans on opening day NFL rosters.

IIRC, Tennessee had 41 players on opening day NFL rosters in 2007.

Not sure about this year.

I agree that UT puts alot of players into the NFL, but Lockdown is acting like USC doesnt put anyone in.

 

[droski]

As far as NFL goes...

In 2007, there were 27 Trojans on opening day NFL rosters.

IIRC, Tennessee had 41 players on opening day NFL rosters opening in 2007.

Not sure about this year.

USC sucked in the 90s and Tenn was elite so that makes sense.

 

[XtennesseeX]

USC sucked in the 90s and Tenn was elite so that makes sense.

I agree, the tables will start to turn as UT is down, & USC is great this decade.

 

[droski]

I guess I was wrong, you do want to hang your hat on that.

Comparing A&M with Cal over the past 5 years (as you did when you said Cal would be among the A&Ms of the world in the big-12) is as ridiculous as comparing Cal with LSU over the last 5 years and that was shown clearly on the field when a cal team that lost to tenn by 3 tds blew out the best A&M team in 5 years.

 

[TXA&M07]

Have Cal beat Mizzou this year and get back to me.
Have Oregon beat Tech this year and get back to me.
Have Ucla beat Kansas this year and get back to me.
Have Arizona beat Colorado and get back to me.
Have Arizona St. beat K- State and get back to me.
Have Stanford beat Baylor and get back to me.
Have Oregon State beat Okie Lite and get back to me.

Lets just face it. I dont see but maybe 2 games the Pac10 could win in that list.

 

[droski]

Have Cal beat Mizzou this year and get back to me.
Have Oregon beat Tech this year and get back to me.
Have Ucla beat Kansas this year and get back to me.
Have Arizona beat Colorado and get back to me.
Have Arizona St. beat K- State and get back to me.
Have Stanford beat Baylor and get back to me.
Have Oregon State beat Okie Lite and get back to me.

Lets just face it. I dont see but maybe 2 games the Pac10 could win in that list.

Cal and Mizzou would be a very good game as would Tech and Oregon. I'd say they are toss ups.

UCLA would probably lose to kansas. Arizona would blow out colorado. ASU would blow out K State. Stanford would definetly beat baylor. Oregon state sucks this year so they probably would loose to Oklahoma state.